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New Data from the last 50 years doesn't change the early church fathers who quoted the verse, Nor does it take away from the existing manuscript evidence. Who do you consider reliable? Only those who are anti King James?

Sorry, Information Courtesy of William Kinney. here is the source page: http://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm

THE FATHERS. Whatever may be their value as to doctrine and interpretation yet, in determining actual word or their form, or sequence their evidence, even by an allusion, as to whether a verse or verses existed or not in their day, is more valuable than even manuscripts or Versions. There are...

As To MANUSCRIPTS, there are none older than the fourth century, and the oldest two uncial MSS. Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are without those twelve verses. Of all the others (consisting of some eighteen uncials and some six hundred cursive MSS. which contain the Gospel of Mark) contain these...

JOHN WESLEY commented on 1 John 5:7 saying: " I would insist only on the direct words, unexplained, just as they lie in the text: "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: And these three are one." "As they lie in the text :" -- but here arises a...

Here is just a partial list of those who contended for the authenticity of this verse. Cyprian - 250 AD, Athanasius 350 A.D., Priscillian -385 AD, Jerome 420 AD, Fulgentius (late 5th century), Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Jaqub of Edessa, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, Desiderus Erasmus...

1st off, I have never stated that any type of instrument is sinful, I am talking about the way these instruments are used. Secondly, having high standards does not make on a legalist, a legalist is someone who claims you must keep the law or live a certain way in order to earn salvation, just...

Can anyone recommend a good book on Music?

Could you please prove that the fundamentalist hymns were once regarded as sensual? I find this to be hard to believe.

when you say pushed to the other side, do you mean they went to the world and went to sin? Because if so that shows a much deeper problem that you cannot blame on the standards. People who stopped living for God because they had high standards put on them have no excuse for doing so, if David...

sorry heres the correct link. http://www.wayoflife.org/database/opposedtoccm.html

What are your thoughts on this article? http://www.baptistboard.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=12 particularly these statements: "Contemporary Christian Music openly and proudly uses any type music in the service of the Lord and refuses to separate from music that is openly used in...

I don't quite follow this statement.

I believe this conversation is benefiting. keep it coming!

We can come up with better thoughts than what are starting to be posted.

My blathering is simply me trying to come to a knowledge of how to please the Lord Jesus Christ in the area of music, While I find your statements and rebuttal to be well thought out, I'm concerned with the spirit you are having as you are making your statements, I hope you realize that...

Thanks for your input. I am struggling at the moment with the issue of music, I am beginning to question whether or not CCM and other new styles of Christian music are wrong or not. I was saved in a super conservative Baptist Church where our Pastor preaches against Rock music. I...

I do not think guitars and drums are wicked. But when we look at rock music at its roots and where it comes from, It's was all built upon drugs and sex. Are we just trying to take of the Lords Table and the table of devils at the same time when we do this very thing with CCM and Christian...

So what about eating? that appeals to the flesh, so does that mean when we eat it is wrong? Or what about a man when he goes to bed with his wife? That pleases the flesh does it not? so with that logic does that make it wrong as well?

I find your statement that music does not have a message as not true. Music definately sends a message. When I was a drug addict the music i listened to was mainly instrumental, it was actually a form of electronic music, It definately sent me a message, just because it didnt use words...