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Looking at the above ... -- his workmanship --- God is working on us (but we have free will). -- created for good works --- We choose whether we do good works. -- God has ordained that we should co-operate -- Again free will. BACs were NOT created to be robots with NO free will. I believe that...

I've noticed in the OT several verses where God says that ... He desires to dwell with those who have humble and contrite hearts. So, I've been wondering if this might be how He chooses people for election.

Would you care to show me a verse quoted out of context, and explain why?

Aaaaah, more verses you don't like! No problem, I'll send you a pair of scissors.

C'mon, we're talking about BACs. Everything we've been talking about is about BACs. We know non-BACs are going to hell ... that's a given. The NT is written (mostly) to (and for) BACs. The NT has instructions, warnings, edifications, encourgements, exhortations, etc. ... just for BACs ... It...

Yes, exactly ... you're getting it. God requires BACs' free-will choices to follow and obey God. However, I don't see these BACs taking any credit for it, do you? Hmmm, maybe you do.

This is an incredible post ... I wish that someone would explain it to me.

Scripture teaches that one’s righteous standing before God can be lost. Believers must be sanctified unto holiness progressively – for salvation is a process! “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil … Whoever...

Your Isaiah verses refers to man before becoming a BAC. And ... Please explain the copious NT verses in the up-coming righteousness thread. Thank you.

All translations that I'm aware of have: old, past, previous, etc. Have you not read the NT verses about BACs being TESTED? Or, of them being told to CONFESS their sins to have them cleansed? It's all about jumping through hoops, dog and pony shows, etc. whilst trying to uphold old and tedious...

You really need to go back and do some re-building! Hey, no biggie ... all of your doctrines don't need trashing. God's Salvation Plan = God salvation + works salvation God's Salvation Plan = mutual co-operation between God and man We see this all throughout the Bible (except for creation)...

“Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel … by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2) “And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap (eternal life), IF we do not lose...

The JKV is not perfect, and it was determined long ago that 2:16 should read: "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith IN Jesus Christ" And, true saving belief-faith includes ENDURING repentance and obedience! Please throw old doctrine in the dumpster, and...

IMO, you are guilty of this also ... rejecting many clear NT verses, which teach that salvation can be lost. E.G. there are few of them listed in this thread, which you have ignored ... Warnings to the churches about gaining eternal death .

Why don't you take one of my verses and show how it's out of context? Or, are you like many people who just HOPE they're out of context.

Apparently, you have missed some of the previous discussions. These verses have to do with initial salvation when the believer receives the Holy Spirit. However, the epistles make it very clear that salvation must be maintained, i.e. it can be lost.

I was referring to BACs who submit to taking it will go into the Lake of Fire! And the 2 blues have bit the dust, is that right?

I feel sorry for you because you have been brainwashed into false doctrines! Salvation is conditional because of all the NT verses involved which say it is. E.G. Have you ever noticed the dozen "IF" conditional NT verses? Because of the whole entire NT ... the NT word "believe" must mean a lot...

Don't the 2 blues disagree. I agree with the red (election), although it is very unpopular. I don't agree with the U/L --- BACs aren't prevented from falling away, etc. E.G. Don't you understand what taking the mark of the beast is all about?

Hey, DG ... Methunks, I basically agree with all of this!