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"Christians today conflate the blood, the death, the sacrifice, the atonement, propitiation, regeneration, salvation, ect., as if they all mean the same thing. They don't!" Show me from the Bible the difference!

Actually, for textual evidence Mss, ECF, ancient versions, they are about equal. So not a text to use for any Doctrine!

Remember when I said I would no longer interact with you? It was because you treat others like fools, and think you KNOW IT ALL! I read your exchanges with RevMitchell, etc, and see that YOU do have a problem!

So you are admitting that someone that Jesus died for (shed His blood for) can be lost in hell?

Are you saying that the Jews were not the ONLY nation "elected" (chosen) by God? Please re-read your Old Testament!

I know that! What I am saying, is that this is the ONLY Bible text that actually says it! In response to someone who said that Juts because Luke's Gospel says Jesus died for Judas, we cannot get a doctrine from this! This is bad "theology"!

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It is not a forum, my personal study website. Besides I have all these on my computer!

"But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth." (ESV), and others. good Greek support!

STUDIES ON THE HOLY TRINITY is MY website!

now you are trying to be "smart"!. I said where the Holy Spirit is actually called "GOD"!

my next thread! :Biggrin

My friend, the Bible clearly says that ONLY the Jewish nation in the Old Testament were ELECT. Are you denying this?

do as you please! its you and the Lord!

that is not the issue here! you are avoiding what I have written, because you know it is the truth, but you don't like it, as it challenges your "theology"!

You still have to deal with the account of Judas, and if you honestly want to know what the Bible teaches, rather than pet theology, then you should really, prayerfully, examine this, and if need be, be big enough to change your theology! I have no problems in being shown that I am wrong in my...

There is only ONE verse in the entire Bible, that says the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:4), do we ignore its teaching because it is the only reference? Your reasoning is warped!

Is THAT the best you can do? So, you dismiss what the Holy Bible very clearly says, because it does not fit your theology! Wow, when will people learn to trust the Bible first, even if it means changing "theology", or as Jesus put is, "doctrines of men"!

Well, the fact remains that Nineveh was not destroyed till well over 100 years after Jonah's Message of salvation to the people of his time, who repented and were saved! As all teachers are human, they can and do err!

meaning exactly what? I have already shown elsewhere, that Jesus also died for Judas, and since he was certainly not "saved", where does this leave "the doctrines of grace"? What of "election" and limited atonement"? You cannot get away from the fact of Jesus' death that included Judas, which...