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  1. herbert

    This seems bigger...

    "Martin Marprelate"- Respectfully, I'd like to chime in for just a moment here to point out the fact that St. Augustine, as a Bishop in the Catholic Church, was responsible for teaching, correcting, and generally shepherding many confused people over the course of his decades-long earthly...
  2. herbert

    This Seems Big.

    Adonia, If two married Catholics are living in a separated or "divorced" state but are sexually continent, reception of Holy Communion is permissible. However, after a "civil divorce" (and in the absence of a decree of nullity regarding their marriage) either individual is "re-married"...
  3. herbert

    This Seems Big.

    Hello, Adonia- It appears as though you're thinking of a situation involving Pope John XXII back in the 14th Century, not St. Pope John XXIII. In Him, Herbert
  4. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    @steaver & @xlsdraw: You have both raised some issues, I responded with a few thoughts of my own. It would be great to hear from either of you. Maybe a new thread will have to be started in order for this conversation to continue. In Him, Herbert
  5. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    "xlsdraw," Allow me to try something here. What if I said this: Your comments exhibit "what happens when you mix human logic and legalese with spirituality. We are spiritual beings. Trust the Holy Spirit. There is no greater teacher. Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither...
  6. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    Good question, Adonia- Let me chime in here to suggest a possible answer. As I see it, actually, the Holy Spirit is not teaching different Christians contradictory doctrines. Rather, people are confused about the way in which God has chosen to lead and guide His pilgrim People (Which...
  7. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    Hello,"xlsdraw," I am glad to hear you chime in! Welcome to the conversation. We may fully trust in Jesus (and receive guidance from the Holy Spirit) and still have conversations like these. It's not as though this conversation is the focus point of anyone's spiritual life. It's just a chat...
  8. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, It seems to me that we have at least four issues which are central to this discussion: Issue #1: You summarized this one when you said the following: "This is why it is said that the RCC preaches another Gospel. And you would say I am preaching another Gospel or not the "full...
  9. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    Adonia, You're making some great points here. I'd like to add a few thoughts to what you're saying here. As Ananias said to Paul " And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name." and as St. Peter says in Acts 2 "Repent and be baptized, every...
  10. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    "Yeshua1," Notice how you change tenses here: You say something about those who (by your estimation) are saved. Then you say No... will be saved. Catholics aren't saying who will or who will not "be saved." That is something God is going to decree by his authority. Catholics are, however...
  11. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    St. Paul does not teach "faith alone." He preaches that we cannot be saved according to works of the law. But he never divorces charity and faith the way that certain people began to in the 16th Century. St. Paul said "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor...
  12. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, My emphasis is selective so that I may stress what I see as the most pertinent elements of a passage. To stress on portion of a text isn't a way of disregarding whatever else the text says. Yes, and this is something you have come to believe, which is not actually taught in the...
  13. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, I suspect that you're referring the anathema of Trent which states the following: CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and...
  14. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, A couple more things: You are not in a position to accurately frame or interpret religious practices of other Christians conclusively. You are not in a position to determine (or limit) the number of alternatives there are available here. For example, it is possible that the smoke of...
  15. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, The "Word of God" is not *just* the texts of Scripture. So "if someone says this or that is what God says," why, sure we are to look into God's Word to see if it is true or untrue. But if you're going to limit "God's Word" to the text of Scripture you have a number of logical problems...
  16. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, It seems to me that you have a tendency to allow the conversation to wander all over the place. Sure your questions are valid. And I am happy to speak to them. But if we want to get anywhere with regard to the stated subject matter at hand, I think we should try to keep focused. That...
  17. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    My remarks were made in Part 1... You said that you go directly to Catholics to find out what the Church really teaches, rather than the Church. In response to that I said: [Isn't that a bit like saying, if you want to know what a country's laws are, you need to go out into the roughest part of...
  18. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    @steaver So at this point there are a couple things I'd hope you'd be willing to speak to... 1) What about what I originally said about the unreasonableness of looking to speeding cars to find out what the actual lawful speed is in an area? 2) What about what I said about the fact that you're...
  19. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, I believe that Christ is "IN ME." I have confidence in this. I do indeed have a personal knowledge of this. My personal knowledge, though, is corroborated by an external witness, which is the Church He founded. In Him, Herbert
  20. herbert

    Love Alone Saves (Part 2)

    steaver, What qualifies as "taught by God"? Does the inclusion of such a practice in Scripture qualify as a direct teaching of God? Also, where do the Scriptures indicate that the passage I referred to is nothing more than a "symbolic" picture? And whether I qualify as a saint or not has not a...
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