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But, you are making that statement in hopes that he will hold the gun to your head because you know you have a better chance to disarm him when he does. So, you have tricked him by telling you hate something that you really desire for him to do. Now, suppose the roles are reversed. Suppose...

Fallacy: Guilt by association. We are not debating verbal plenary inspiration and I'm not condemning that view. We are debating you putting of the law above the Law-giver. As pointed out, and ignored, had Abraham done so, he would have failed God's test... In my thinking, a sin is a sin...

You are still looking at this from an individual standpoint. This is the same reason the mistake in interpreting the doctrines of predestination/election. When we say that Christ atoned for the sin of the world you immediately assume universalism because you think individually, not...

Well stated. The full weight of God's anger against that which would destroy the greatest objects of His affection was poured out at the cross. Those who reject the cross choose the destruction prepared for Satan and his angels. And they make that choice in the face of God's gracious and...

Matthew 25:41 tells us that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels. It was not by original plan and design for men and women--for human sinners. It was prepared for the Devil and his angels. The Lord Jesus tells us that Himself. This speaks to the distinction between the idea of...

But, once I pressed you then you found time. :) Thanks! Iron sharpening iron! ;) Legalism is not merely seeking righteousness through moral living, in my understanding. It is also the practice of putting the law above the Law-Maker, putting truth above Truth, putting the letter of the...

Before we go further, what do you believe hell was created for? You said, 'Man is a sinner and because of his sin he deserves hell,' as if hell was made to be a place of punishment for man who sins. Is that what you believe?

That's a good point. I meant to distinguish wrath against lawlessness (sin) versus God's wrath against those who reject his provision of Grace. To say, as John 3:36 says, that God's wrath remains on him, suggests that it may have been removed...an impossibility for the non-elect in your...

Expiation emphasizes the removal of guilt through a payment of the penalty, while propitiation emphasizes the appeasement or averting of God's wrath. Would you agree?

We are talking past each other. On this point the end result for both of our views is the same, so really we are just discussing the REASON someone is perishing, which may be distinguished from what are the perishing for. Christ’s death made provision for all sin (agreed?), yet only those...

To say they are suffering in hell for the rest of eternity for their sin suggests that nothing was provided to atone for their sin, but it was. So, though it may seem to be a difference without much of a distinction, I believe they are suffering in hell for their unbelief alone. "They...

Yet, you can't find the time to explain it? Not enough said. Yet, the story of Rahab and the others remain...He also hates a parent who kills a son but yet the story of Abraham remains. Maybe things aren't as back and white as you'd like to think? Gen. 22:2 Then God said, "Take your son...

The link above also teaches that.... Calvinists typically argue that Christ's death on the cross paid not a general penalty for all of humanity's sins, but a specific penalty for the sins of individual people (his elect). So, according to most Calvinists, Christ's atonement is limited in...

"The satisfaction view of the atonement is a theory[1] in Christian theology related to the meaning and effect of the death of Jesus Christ and has been traditionally taught in Catholic, Lutheran, and Reformed circles. Theologically and historically, the word "satisfaction" does not mean...

Please be more specific. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if you do sin, there is someone to plead for you before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who pleases God completely. 2 He is the sacrifice for our sins. He takes away not only...

I think we've all been around here long enough to know all the scriptures on both sides of this debate regarding the atonement (if not I can point you to some resources). I suppose I could list them all again, but then it would just go back to debating how that side interprets this verse in...

Let me see if I'm understanding Webdog's argument here. WD, let me know if this is correct. Hell's punishment, even for an eternity, cannot satify God's wrath for the sin of a man. Hell is a judgement against man for their unbelief and rejection of the clearly revealed truth, not a...

You are question begging by presuming what Abraham did was evil when he raised his hand to sacrifice his son. You are presuming what Rahab did was evil when she deceived the soldiers by hiding the Israelite spies, You are presuming what Elisha did was wrong when he misled the enemies of God...

Had to comment on this. Please read it again. I'm emboldened the lie. He said he would lead the enemies to the man they were looking for but he tricked them and took them to Samaria.

So, if God asked you to lie for him, as he asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, you'd pick your ethics and rules over obeying God? Interesting. Enough said. When discussing suppositions for the sake of an argument the suppositions is just that...SUPPOSED. You have NO idea what God would or...