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It think this is kind of missing the point. I was meaning to point to the fact that the woman was the only omnivore, thus the only one with a real CHOICE. Its not about choosing among differing desires for the Lion and the rabbit because they are born unable to desire the other option on the...

HeirofSalvation, Thanks for the defense, but... "Doctrines of Grace" is a term used by Reformers (Calvinists) to reference TULIP. I understood what she meant and didn't take it to mean that I denied God's grace. She might feel that I have because I reject her interpretation of the means of...

"I took you to be smarter than to leave yourself that wide open, so I will refrain." -an egghead I guess it takes one to know one? :smilewinkgrin:

Christianity is all about REDEMPTION. We take bar tunes and turn them into hymns. We redeem the tune. We take addictions and turn them into care classes that address the addiction while sharing the gospel. We redeem the sin. We take Halloween festivities as an opportunity to have...

:thumbsup: Very good advice.

So, stop reading it then. No one is forcing you to read my threads. Put me on your ignore list and I won't bother you anymore. Geesh. How often are you going to put yourself as my judge on this issue? And I see a personal attack after a personal attack from you, while I do what this board...

Actually, the example is based on those facts. I know they aren't considered to be free moral creatures, and I realize they are bound by a determined design. That is the point. In the Compatibilistic system mankind is really no different, mankind is just doing 'what they want' and what they...

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Good one.

I'm a minister, not a zoologist, so bare with me on my illustrations. :) Here we go again. THIS is a debate forum on Christian doctrine, of which the doctrine of soteriology is arguably the most important and most debatable. I average just over 2 posts here a day, not excessive by anyones...

Lions won't eat lettuce, and Rabbits won't eat meat, because that is the way they were created. There is no "choice" (picking between available options) in the matter because lettuce isn't a viable option for a Lion and meat isn't a viable option for a rabbit. Both are viable options for the...

Steve, look at the top of the page and you will see this is a debate forum. We are actually supposed to present our differing views in the form of an argument (in accordance with the rules, of course). If you get in over your head it is fine to bow out or just admit you don't know how to...

A lion, a rabbit and a woman stand before you. You place a steak and a salad in front of each one of them and say, "You are free to choose which one you want to eat." We already know what the Lion and Rabbit will choose, because their instinctive nature dictates it. It is predetermined by...

Oh come on. Now analogies aren't acceptable in a debate forum? :rolleyes: "A choice to act is free if it is an expression of an agent's categorical ability of the will to refrain or not refrain from the action." Its sometime referred to as "libertarian free will," or the ability to do...

Well, since I have to 'think biblically' I'll allow the bible answer you: "24 Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe. 25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers...

Yes, it makes perfect sense! :) That is what the pig styes of life are for. They break us. The prodigal wouldn't know the pig stye if not for the father granting him his freedom to squander his wealth, make his own destructive decisions and come to the end of himself. It is actually...

:thumbsup: Well stated!

JBH, Look at this analogy: A Lion, a rabbit and a woman stand before you. You place a steak and a salad in front of each one of them and say, "You are free to choose which one you want to eat." We already know what the Lion and Rabbit will choose, because their instinctive nature dictates it...

True, but how does that prove that men can't respond to a God actively seeking them? Proof that someone can't make a phone call is not proof that one can't answer the phone if it rings. Oh, He already told us why he gave men the freedom to rebel. "He has bound all men over to disobedience so...

I meant to address this point too. I think the analogy of the prodigal son better represents the scenario of mankind's relationship to God than does the illustration of a toddler (a baby without a developed 'will of his own' or understanding of danger etc) running toward a busy highway. God...

And this is why under Calvinism the lost have a perfect excuse for their unbelief. In non-Calvinism the lost are rebelling in the face of God's love, choice and gracious provision, they have NO excuse. Also, I wouldn't say He 'values their free choice more than he values their salvation."...