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Aaron, I have a question...not trying to start anything, just really want to understand this perspective. Do you believe man has anything to do with the determination/development of his nature? For example, the old 'garbage in - garbage out' principle which teaches that if we choose to...

We affirm the Baptist Faith and Message, same as this forum. Granted, it is not specific enough to really place it as either supporting Calvinistic doctrine or not.

That's like someone complaining because they keep talking about the Weather on the Weather channel. Why not turn the channel if you are tired of watching the same show of the same folks chasing the same dog? :laugh:

jbh, If anyone is 'playing word games' it is you. I'm simply asking you WHY mankind can't want to come to Christ even when invited and you refuse to answer the question. You play word games by answering the question with other question and restating the same thing over and over. You: Men...

Reformed Baptist (sometimes referred to as Founders) tend to be 5-pointers but most Baptists are not Calvinistic. I'd say most are 'nothing' in that they know nothing about the issue because they are biblically illiterate. (not trying to be mean, but that is just the way it is these days) I...

Welcome to the forum brother! :) I'm not sure I see anything uniquely 'reformed' or 'calvinistic' about what you have presented. Your 'caveat' for Unconditional Election makes it distinctly non-Calvinistic and based on the parenthetical definition of Total Depravity it doesn't appear you...

Ok, fine, that doesn't change the fact that they knew God and understood his divine attributes simply by the revelation of creation, whereas Calvinists teach that man is born so depraved he can't even understand truth plaining and clearly spoken in our own language in such a way as to believe...

The difference is my answer actually addressed the question, your answer does not. If God is not the one who punished all of mankind with a nature unable to respond to His appeal, then who did? Was that an accident that took God by surprise? Is that the one thing God isn't sovereign over in...

Easy answer: I never started beating my wife. Now answer my question, it should be just as easy for you. Who, if not God, determined what the fallen nature of man could and could not be willing to do?

In your system man doesn't want to come to Christ in the same manner that a rabbit doesn't want to eat steak or a lion doesn't want to eat lettuce. You've reduced man's free moral nature to that of animal instinct by which men simply do as they have been programmed. I know, I know, that is...

He can want to if he wants too? Really? REALLY? Never mind. :BangHead:

Opportunity: A set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something. (Webster) There is NEVER a set of circumstances that makes it possible for a non-elect man to believe and be saved according to Calvinism. Right or wrong? BUT CAN HE BECOME WILLING? IS HE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME...

In The Westminster Confession; doctrine of Total Inability is stated as follows: — “Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not able, by...

Just as you said here, "UNLESS God changes his heart he will not," in fact he CANNOT believe. Why? He is born unable to be willing. I can prove it. Answer this question with a yes or no: Is a natural non-elect man able to willingly believe in Christ?

I didn't say "opportunity to believe." As you JUST quoted, I said, "opportunity to WILLINGLY ACCEPT." How does a corpse, a spiritually dead man, willingly accept the appeal for reconciliation unless first made alive? Do you know how many THOUSANDS of times that point has been argued here by...

That is not a straw man brother. "Whosoever will may come" no more implies that fallen man has the power (in himself) to come, than "Stretch forth thine hand" implied that the man with the withered arm had ability (in himself) to comply. In and of himself the natural man has power to reject...

And he is unwilling because he is unable to be willing. His heart is corrupted and thus CANNOT be willing according to Calvinism. Again, this is taught very clearly by MANY Calvinistic scholars so I'm not sure why you're attempting to deny it. ??? How does a corpse, a dead man, have the...

You are incorrect IMO. I know what you are attempting to argue. You are attempting the ol' "Men are able but not willing," line that Calvinists often throw out, but that is why I purposefully put the phrase, "without hope or opportunity to willingly accept God's appeal for reconciliation..."...

Maybe a better way to ask the question of this poll is: Do you believe God preselected a particular number of individuals to effectually save, while passing over the rest of humanity leaving them in their helpless condition without hope or opportunity to willingly accept God's appeal for...

Wha Chew talkin 'bout Willis?!?