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You two would be great in politics. :)

I understand that and agree, but the verse said they clearly saw and understood God's attributes and knew God but traded that truth in for a lie and refused to acknowledge Him as God. It doesn't say they didn't 'really understand.' The fact that they DID understand is the very thing that made...

:laugh: That is about the best he'll be able to find I suppose. You'd think if someone had the audacity to infer someone is a hypocrite they'd at least have an instance in mind while doing it. :confused:

Can someone explain to me how a lost person can, on the one hand, know 'what may be known about God' and clearly understand "His eternal power and divine nature" simply by the general revelation of creation, BUT on the other hand not understand the Holy Spirit inspired gospel revelation...

Awww, the defer to ad hominem rather than answer the point of debate strategy. Revealing and sad.

Still waiting... :sleep:

Amen and Amen! Why do Calvinists want to let unbelievers off the hook so easy by suggesting they can't understand basic human language? I mean, they don't even have to wade through KJV old english, they can read the Message or some other easy to understand 2nd grade level translation. Who...

You will need to provide the quote where I call people names, such as heretic, otherwise this is a baseless and false accusation.

I know! Especially a verse that simply affirms something we ALL accept, which is that God must explain deep mysterious truths to mankind in order for us to really understand them. What baffles me is why most Calvinists deny that the means God used by His Spirit to inspire divinely appointed...

Hey Forest your record is stuck on the 1 Cor 2:14 rut. That verse has been explained to you and you have yet to engage in a discussion on the subject. I guess we could just quote John 3:16 over and over if you think that merry-go-round would be beneficial.

What does that even mean? :confused:

No, not witnessing, just those who pridefully and unknowingly assume they do more witnessing than others because they are 'too good' to debate historical soterilogical views...{while at the very same time having a higher post count and average of number of daily posts than a moderator he singles...

Actually it is Jesus speaking to his hand picked apostles and he says, "you did not choose me, but I chose you." Why would I deny that? Maybe you know less about my views than you think you do.

Then you got some discipling to do, don't be wasting your time getting involved in the this debate stuff... blah, blah, blah.... :wavey:

True. There are many nuanced views on all sides of this debate and whether or not you are willing to acknowledge it even your view (whatever it may be) is going to get tagged with some 'label' and then attacked. If you don't want to defend it, fine, then don't. But if you do, as you have with...

saturneptune, shouldn't you be out winning lost souls? ;)

You forgot something: Free Will Skandy: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah Elected Rippon: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah Free Will Skandy: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah I'm-better-than-you saturnneptune: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm...

Neither of those verses say that. They say that men are dead in sins and need the Spirit to discern the mysteries of God, which he does by sending men like Paul and the other apostles to write inspired truth in human language so all can read it and understand it. If the average guy can't...

The only way ANYONE can understand the truth of the doctrine of Christ is only by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. That revelation is called The Word of God, and it is contained in the scripture. There is NO EXCUSE for those who have the clear revelation. They DO understand it and are...

Then you are accepting a paradox (apparent contradiction) and appealing to mystery, right? I'm saying its an apparent contradiction not afforded by the text UNLESS you read it with an 'individual' intent, something many scholars do not do and in fact NO SCHOLAR did prior to Augustine. Right...