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Thank you all who have voted so far.....And yes, I forget who corrected me on this, but you are right....I should not have lumped Supra-Lapsarians and Hyper-Cals in the same group.....They are often one and the same....but not necessarily...So thank you for that correction....

It's a "non-sense" legitimately thought to be worth serious consideration by many very intelligent-well-educated Christian philosophers and theologians. I am not sure repeated insistence on calling it that does much to bolster the power of your argument. It may be a notion also believed by...

Well, if you KNOW this unquestionably......I disagree that foreknowledge of the future decisions of free willed creatures renders them necessary....But if you can't entertain the notion that determinism is not the only way to exhaustively know the future then sail on.

O.K. probably on the public profile somewhere....I have not looked at it, and would not actually know how to change it unless I tried....didn't actually think one could...I am sorry....I am more computer illiterate than you think...whatever scenario is playing out in your head.....I am simply...

Yet one more statement of sheer class...I don't know how you do it, but I sure wish I did.

Class.... sheer Class that is... I take it you absolutely must be a nobly-born Briton with an inherited seat in the House of Lords, to simply make the classy statements you make.

I seriously don't know what you mean Michael, about identity??? Where they live, who they are, I am simply not as computer savvy as you are....really...what am I missing?? I do not know your last name...I only know"Michael Wrenn" I simply don't know whether that is your "actual" name or...

I tried to convey to you in my last post that I physically fear you and your prowess as a fighter...I prefer to Hide behind my computer. You have called me out by name... and I have failed to answer....out of fear....your honor is preserved and mine is compromised....I stand ashamed. If it is...

Those of us too ill-educated to have gone to Bible-College know a "red-herring" when we see one...and we don't chase it....when you feel like learning what a "red-herring" is.... simply google it...and please....please...for your own sake....do not pretend you already know what I am talking...

O.K. again..... this is simply not a thread that was designed for you...or anyone of your persuasion about particular topics.... I am NOT trying to out-macho you in any way, I concede.....You are by far the better physical specimen... I know this.......You believe women should be ordained as...

Then leave the post....and don't vote....oh....there is also this...I simply do not buy your bluff about "Bible College" having taught you the difference... for one thing......no one.... 35 yrs ago..... took Molinism seriously enough to bother teaching it.... They don't now...

Your point is well taken, absolutely correct,:thumbs: I see for instance the story of Deborah and Barack... God called the man...he wussed out....Debbie however had the "intestinal fortitude" to get the job done....so God used, and subsequently magnified her in the eyes of all of us for...

O.K. that is an opinion you are more than welcome to... and that is fine...why then...do you insist on posting on my thread? You could simply uhhh... like.... go away or something. I do note that you have yet to explain your particular objections to the alternative Soteriological positions...

And Yet.... you get on MY Thread...wherein 7 possible... allow me to repeat myself..SEVEN...possible options are there to choose from, and you whine about the idea that there is no approach nuanced enough for you??? You have squelched about 2 or 3 possible ones so far.... will you either: 1)...

Yes, you probably speak wisely....I get in a certain kind of mood though...I am only in my 30's but sometimes my patience is that of a man in his 90's...a definite weakness for which I must accept my own fault....admit it though....you wish you had said what I said....oh, and you are decidedly...

O.K. you have succesfully distanced yourself from..by my count...3 possible options... you have 4 more to go...but seriously...explain, or just don't vote... I don't care.... I just want to get a feeling for how people view things...You make Bald assertions such as... And.... Are you...

I don't...... you have option no. 7.... unless you are so informed on the topic... and so very nuanced in your personal understanding...above and beyond us mere mortals....you have a 98% chance of agreeing with ALL of the Theological propositions of one of those six groups.... would you be so...

Thank you Tom and Greektim... thank you for your votes!!!

You derailed nothing... this was a thread designed specifically to get the liberal heretics to bite away from my wife's legit thread... (about women baptizing)... when you get a chance...would love to see if you have any input on this one... it ain't an easy one...Seriously, I am never easy on...

Thank you Ann.... for your posts....I tend to agree with this sentiment...but why?....... I guess it has to do really with the whole of revealed Scripture, but....why do we feel this way???? Something says.... absolutely...find a Godly man... and yet something says.... dunno why... just...