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Yes, inarguably, (and I read this article, in a forum on the topic you posted before I even joined the board). I am aware that there are those who "kick against the pricks" But that was sheer quoting of Scripture and in context on Icon's part. When one says "inarguably" they do not usually...

Absolutely: consider that thing we call the Bible For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the...

: Icon is absolutely correct... the context of the passage is this: 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed...

Mark: you have a lot of good truths here mixed I think with some misunderstandings. The brief order of things is this: This is accurate I think, you will note in Genesis this subtle turn of phrase when speaking to the serpent: Eve said: "But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst...

YUP!:thumbsup: I am a fan of neither of the 3 (especially Stanley) but none are heretics or preach a false gospel or anything else, Over-critical is a good way to put it.:applause:

Well, Convicted: I am somewhat non-commited, but my tendency is to think otherwise: I have been looking into it some and I noticed two things: 1.) This debate has apparently been raging for roughly 2k years 2.) The answer is not near as cut-and-dry as we like to make it or as anyone here...

I KNOW what I said JBH, and I stand by the actual POINT I was trying to convey, I was NOT backpedalling then, I am not now.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JBH, See my edit of my above post. It was a Reductio I was making. see my edit. And read the friggin link for crying out loud!! \

I know what she meant, and I know Calvinist claim ownership of the term "Grace". The questions I asked were questions that were designed to make a point, I do not think that anyone has read the link I put up there. If you are to debate Calvinism, you (I think) cannot cede the high ground by...

That is libelous: Question: 1.) Can someone who denies that salvation is by grace through faith be saved? 2.) If someone places their faith in anything other than the grace of God be saved? 3.) Has Skandelon EVER denied that he is anything other than a poor helpless sinner unable to do...

I would be fascinated if you found one place where he has stated he does not believe that men are saved by grace alone through faith alone. He has a disagreement with your determinism (hence the entire thrust of the thread), not grace. Unless you were to quote or furnish proof of his denying...

Skandelon has never once argued against the doctrine of grace: it is the philosophy of determinism he disagrees with. No one has a problem with grace.http://evangelicalarminians.org/?q=glynn.CALVINIST-RHETORIC.Euphemism-and-Dysphemism&page=4

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Fine....I said "given your premises" not "given Aarons premises" WOW insanely arrogant...and a non-sequitor I think I was making a commentary about whether convicted's point of view might possibly be influenced by an unconscoius perception that it is somehow more pious. Thus, I did not say...

I hope for your sake it will: But I doubt it, I don't know too many active people on this board who would take the bait quite frankly.....Fairness? No one yet has mentioned fairness. No one other than a congenital retard would argue that they want . What about them? If a Molinist/Middle...

No, No, No..... I would discourage it, and my kids will not be involved in any such thing....Mainly it is an issue to me of the nature of that particular pagan symbolism. Granted.....I don't have a problem with Christians stealing some symbols or rituals from pagans and using them for our own...

Great quote Tom!! :thumbsup: and especially from the likes of someone like Newton.....how humbling.

I think 12 strings you would have to even more succinctly define "totally free" That is a phrase not used often.

I will simply disagree for now- something tells me, however, that the position you take (and those who see as you do) is as much motivated by an unconscious belief that yours is the more pious view to take, and the temptation not to take the LESS pious view is irresistible. Maybe that has...

NNNOOOOOO!!!!!! There IS a molinist account which can possibly answer these questions without appealing to mystery (well, not quite as quickly anyway :laugh:) Please, consider it BEFORE you give up you've got this thing. Please don't think this way, it is not insulting................On a...