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.......................................................................................................................................... Ow...Ow....... this is just............Ouch :BangHead:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have seen them work.....The point is to preach the gospel....period. I take an "any and all" approach. All methodologies have their merit. Some methodologies may be more or less "effective" (in the sense of...

Fair enough: I suppose I stand corrected. My mistake agedman. Thank you Jon. I guess I remember some of those guys saying stuff like that before, I guess I didn't quite grasp what they were saying, in that I think that that is well, simply false. My curiosity is now piqued. I will go look...

That is precisely what webdog just said..."Under no conditions, whatsoever, is anyone, to have any faith, at any time in the intercessory capacity of Jesus's prayers" I know I just saw him say it....I will post it here...

Umm... the Garden of Gethsemane account then? how would you explain that KY? IF...it were not possible that Jesus ever pray anything outside of the will of the Father... then why would Christ say..."Nevertheless not my will but thine be done" According to your interpretation..it appears...

All of them... I would think

Yes it appears that by "wild beasts" he simply means "wild beasts" they are set in a list: 1.)hunger 2.)death (in KJV) plague or disease would be accurate... and 3.)wild beasts I see no reason to assume it means anything more than natural wild beasts...the normative order of the Earth...

I was asking about the mitigating factor in the redeemed's desire to actually accept or choose Christ, not the mitigating factor in the reprobate's choice to remain in a state of condemnation. Fair enough... I might have worded that differently to avoid confusion. I think I should have...

GreekTim: you keep harping on the "Platonic thinking" aspect of this.....but you say nothing about why that MUST be bad or wrong? Is it possible that there were some things about which Plato was pretty close to accurate? Percho: Should we assume there was a "time" when a soul came into...

JBH since you have restated your views: I will again defend (for the most part) the accurracy of what I initially posted. Once the rhetorical flourishes and disclaimers are not included the basic statements I made are true...With a little editing: o.k we can split hairs...how about we...

A great post! I would add that vis a vis your statement: The Modern world has sought to define "sin" or all wrongdoing as whatever hurts or harms another human being...God not being the offended party and sometimes we as Christians tend to fall for that line of thinking.. I cannot help but...

I cannot have a reasoned Christlike conversation with such vicious hostility let me know when you want to leave the insults at the door and then we can have that conversation

Self-Righteousness :saint:....and Pride.:D I think our habit is to rail about sins that individually we have little or no proclivity towards and conveniently ignore the ones we do. As you suggested gluttony and Gossip are two of them. Pride is, I think, the Mother of them all, and just about all...

. k fair enough: why don't we? the question really is would he. A legitimate question worth discussion I would think. I think the disagreement is about what we believe is the nature of God's decision to elect and save. I do not see how the debate Cal-non-Cal has anything to do with...

I was careful with my words here... I did not suggest that God predestined anyone to damnation...I understand many Calvinists would dispute that. I was merely mentioning their status from birth. Why would anyone say that. In fact I said absolutely nothing about what I think or believe...

never heard it that way....nice :laugh::laugh:

Possibly the strongest argument ever for joining a Reformed Baptist Church. I must seriously consider this..

Why would I.....As soon as I would define a van as equating a motorcycle.

seriously.... calm down.... Why not just take my post and explain how it is inaccurate? You can't. Plainly speaking, it is an accurate representation of Calvinsit Theology. Are you avoiding actually defending the belief by whining about "hostility" I think you are. You don't like someone...

Wow touchy much? Acuse the dissenters of being meany-heads. I like that tactic