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:thumbs::wavey:I think so to.... just allow the post to continue, and it will invariably move in that direction....Not positive, by I bet you're right:type: This coming from a guy who positively despises Calvinism:mad:

Whose premises are you calling illogical? To whom is this adressed? I am not committed to this idea myself, but some have reasonably argued that God is timeless prior to the creative act, but has become temporal since creation and will become atemporal again!!!! An illustration would be...

Well, he knows that you will not do it, not that you cannot do it. I assume it is genuine in the sense that: 1.) His character is such that he truly desires that your choice would be other than it is and 2.) He has at least provided sufficient grace for you to accept his appeal to salvation...

Of course, that One of whom you speak did not entrust Adam with the choice of his own creation, but did entrust him with the choice in his own death. Come to think of it, he did so for EVERYONE right?:eek:

I prefer the vicious blood-bath:laugh: Seriously though: You do have a point, although I would not necessarily make the comparison between the Paul-Appollos-Christ thing in I Cor. It can shed some light, but I really think it was the PEOPLE themselves, not doctrines etc..the Corinthians...

Michael, Oh, that's it....I simply don't know what it means to prove a negative..nvm.:rolleyes: If you.......Assume the Bible does speak of the local Church....as Tom does....and apparently you do, He is in no position to argue the non-existence of your ethereal U-church. It is not your...

One at a time here: No, it understands them as BOTH And when YOU provide a "CLEAR scriptural reference" as you challenge Tom to do (while trying to make him prove a negative btw) as to when the Bible EVER refers to the Church as merely all those who believe, then you have a case for the...

They don't. They have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at all.

Thank you for your clarification: And now, I will proceed with my brow-beatings, insults, and charges of heresy inevitably coming to the conclusion that you are presumably not saved and need the gospel:laugh::wavey: Just kidding but if I may: This is almost accurate, but I think the...

VAN: I am not quite understanding precisely what you mean with most of your posts is it something like exhaustive foreknowledge necessitating that there is no free will? Is that what you believe? Alternatively, do you believe that God cannot exhaustively know the future i.e. (foreknow who...

:thumbsup::applause:Right On! Similarly, we have the story of the Rich young Ruler who decidedly understood fully what was required.....which was...well, his problem with it.:tongue3:

No.........

The purpose of this school is to teach/minister to/ educate the CHILDREN, not to supply this woman with a job. The school is there for the kids, not the teachers. She sinned (probability would suggest repeatedly, unless we are to think that this was a one-time deal and she had some sheer bad...

:wavey::thumbsup::laugh: Yuppers!! and indeed did not even the Apostles call out certain ones and by name???? A certain Alexander the Coppersmith comes to mind.

Seeing pictures has nothing to do with what the biblical answer would be, but there is a difference between "staying" (and accepting) abuse and divorcing. Scriptural guidelines are clear. I would counsel a woman dealing with abuse to separate herself/leave/seek safety....in hopes the man will...

It is such a weird poll though, MANY people (myself included) do not read it: "Cover to Cover" that way. Each book numerous times? yes. Studying each book systematically while having read it numerous times? yes. Genesis to Revelation just to claim you did it once at least? yes, got little out...

Nodak, you say here: Although I decidedly agree with the conclusion: But only God can save them I wonder if you are not a bit overly critical of some of the classic 45 verses of "just as I am" "emotional pleading" kind of alter calls/sermons and services. I think it takes many types to...

I think there should also be a semicolon between "grammar" and "although" since it is a compound sentence, and I also think there should be a comma after "Well":thumbsup:

All of the above except for perhaps Open theism<----- OT, while I strongly disagree....knowing how they arrive at the position they do is not, strictly speaking, heresy just extreme error.

But.... if you do indeed believe that the Calvinists are correct that there is indeed individual election and predestination to salvation (adoption). and yet man still retains libertarian free will and that the inevitable logical outcome of Calvinism is determinism...there is always...