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That is about intent ('for those'), not the nature of the atonement. You still aren't getting his argument. Again, he is arguing for the design or intent, not the nature of the atonement. He was speaking of the nature of the atonement when he wrote, "What was demanded for the salvation of one...

Right. My problem is the conclusions DRAWN based upon these truths, not the truths themselves. I was referring to the fact that you keep trying to push me into Openism, as per your last post, because you see the PROBLEM of your question as only being solved by Determinism or Openism and I'm...

So are my questions. I have no problem with that statement in the BF&M. I told you in the other thread I was fine with you definition of omniscience. If you would engage with all my posts instead of cherry picking points you want to address you would come to understand what I'm...

I'll keep answering your questions when you start answering some of mine. We've got to be fair here. :)

You are asking if I'm an Open Theist, as if there MUST be an answer to the dilemma that YOUR QUESTION has created. The answer is 'no.' I do believe people make their own decisions and that men originate their own evil intent, and not God, because I believe that is what scripture tells us. I...

Do you suppose God foresaw this in the crystal ball on that same day before he created Adam too? Sure seems like he would have chose a different option when he was deciding whether or not to create him anyway. :confused: :godisgood: ...and much much bigger than what we could even suppose...

No brother, I'm not trying to dodge your question, I'm just not willing to aquiesce to the option you provided. ;)

Ok, I'll play along. The day before man is created God is sitting there in heaven and he looks into his crystal ball (excuse the sarcasm, but how else do I illustrate the linear mindset being imposed on the infinite God?) He sees through his 'crystal ball' that Adam will be tempted by Eve and...

And amidst all this mystery we also run into versus like this: Genesis 6:7: Then the Lord said, "I will wipe off the face of the earth: man, whom I created, together with the animals, creatures that crawl, and birds of the sky-for I regret that I made them." And, while we can label it as...

1. You agreed to our understanding of Divine Omniscience is anthropomorphic (meaning he doesn't KNOW things in the same manner we KNOW them), right? 2. You agreed that God is infinite (meaning he is not bound by time or linear constructs. i.e. before/after), right? 3. You agreed that God...

I don't think you do, based on what you go on to say... Stop right there and we'll be fine, but you have to keep going and contradict what you just agreed to... And there it is... You draw a conclusion based upon what you just agreed was a mystery, thus CREATING the problem. Explain the...

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Me: Don't you affirm Compatiblism? The three posts above should explain my confusion...

Well then, I'm going to leave well enough alone. I don't want to ruin this moment for us. :laugh:

If you agree then why are you accusing me of redefining it, when all I'm doing is appealing to mystery regarding conclusions BASED on it? Again, that statement, whether you recognize it or not, puts God back onto the time line where he is subject to cause/effect laws and understanding. I...

Since Christ has died, do you believe that what impedes a non-elect man from being saved is: 1. His totally depraved nature, which God chose not to regenerate. 2. His need to have his sins atoned, which God chose not to atone. 3. All of the above Better?

Luke, I think you believe God is on a time line like us: eternal future (EF) eternal past (EP) EP<----------God creates--------> EF You seem to argue that if God KNEW ALL THINGS 'prior' to coming to that point on the time line where He created it then He is approving it and/or...

You tell me, but that doesn't answer my question...it just dodges it. :)

:confused: Yes. That is what I'm asking: Don't you affirm Compatiblism?

You seem to be suggesting that I have "redefined God as not knowing all there is to ever know," but maybe you are referring to Van? I'm not sure. But I can assure you that I have never attempted to 'redefine' anything. I've accepted the distinctions between predetermination and foreknowledge...