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203 views. Where are all of these arguments from Calvinist I have been told about???

:thumbs: :wavey: Thank you for your solid posting and sticking with the facts!

Why would the state or government at the time care about torturing and killing perceived offenders of the Christian faith? The whole thing looks like Calvin using the state to carry out his dirty works for him so he can basically act as the Jews did with Pilate when they took Jesus to be murdered.

Yes, and the Jews did not put Jesus to death either, it was the Roman government...........

I'm sure we all (I know I have) encountered many of men and women who were drawn (forced spiritually) to consider Jesus Christ, yet they walked away. I have a personal friend whom I only get to see maybe every other month or two, every time I bump into him he initiates the conversation towards...

It cannot be "PERIOD". If you say "PERIOD", then you say all men get saved. One must deal with how the verse makes sense. I think it would be Calvinism doing the amending. All men will not be saved, thus, the verse must be focused on all men being forced to deal with Jesus Christ.

What is the subject matter of the verse? Don't you think what the verses is saying is that when Jesus be lifted up on that cross all men will be forced to....what? Believe in Him? I say no, but forced to deal with His life and testimony, and forced (spiritually) to MAKE A CHOICE!

So then Calvinist believe that whenever a person is impelled to do something, or believe something, then they automatically must do or believe such a thing?

Yeah see that's not a freewill to choose between two paths. Of course no one seeks God without God first seeking and doing the drawing. Jesus said He would draw all men unto Himself (John12:32) . Many are called, few are chosen (Matt 22:14) .

Yeah, we always get that "you don't understand Calvinism" charge, but everything I understand about Calvinism I have gotten directly from debating with Calvinist. I believe all the Calvinist on this board would say un-regenerated man cannot choose to believe unto salvation, this is not having a...

I don't think so. Calvinism only gives "lip" service to man's freewill. Calvinism's version of freewill to make a choice is no freewill choice at all, for Calvinism declares un-regenerated man can only choose unbelief, that is not having a "God given" freewill to choose one way or the other, but...

Excellent exegesis and observations :thumbsup: . I admire your patience in trying to help others understand God's teaching on salvation and how it comes about through simple faith placed in Jesus Christ. I believe 99% of believers begin with this Holy Spirit taught biblical understanding of...

I believe Calvinism places God in a box when it comes to His own sovereignty. Prime example would be Calvinism declaring that God in His sovereignty is forbidden to give His created a free will choice to believe or not to believe.

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I think you posted in the wrong thread....

Hey guys, this thread will be closing soon. I know you all been tied up here, but I am looking forward to your arguments against your position in my new thread. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98534 See ya there...:wavey:

No that's funny.....:laugh:

Sister, do you believe non-Cals don't think election is true??

It's often over the border. Lol. A couple on here have been over the border many times.

Why is this so difficult to understand? All are created with faith as part of their very nature. Everyone exercises faith in many things. Sometimes you gotta wonder why people cannot see how simple Jesus made this and how clear he spoke on this thy even a child can understand it. But then "wise...