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You don't think we are the first two to ever notice calvinism is error do you? Millions reject Calvinism you know. You know what's wonderful? One day there will be no Christian allowed to call themselves a Calvinist!!! When I get to heaven, I won't have any ism I will have to abandon.

Just what the OP asks for. It wasn't asking for a defense of Calvinism, but rather arguments against calvinism by Calvinist. Icon said you guys had some better ones than us non cals had.

We are talking about killing another human being here and for what? For being wrong about the Trinity. If Calvin had no idea what Jesus taught concerning loving others then I highly doubt he had any good insight to something more complex like election.

Bingo! :thumbsup:

Apart from brother Icon's off topic rants, there has been no responses to the OP's request. So I believe we can conclude Calvinist cannot make a better argument against Calvinism than non Cals can and thus it was just some more bloviating from brother Icon. Now some advice for you brother...

I don't know about anyone else, but these kind of statements just turn my stomach knowing the history of John Calvin. It's like Calvinist completely miss the love of Christ, the very theme of the Gospel. Paul being stoned and left for dead, never retaliating. Stephen being stoned and asking the...

Matt 15:8 - "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me". Now the Apostle Paul came up against true heretics, but did he devise ways to put them to death? Why would I even want to listen to Calvin's sermons knowing he...

Well, at least we agree the OP declaration by you is failing to produce confirmation. So I guess you were in error when you spoke it. And I have the Scriptures so I won't be needing any man-made twist and spins.

The problem is Calvinist PROUDLY wear the label. Why? Face the facts, Calvin was a thug and understood nothing about the love of Christ and brethren. In fact according to God through John, one who says they love God and hates their brethren are liars. That is God's word on the matter and I agree...

The OP point comes directly from a Calvinist's declaration. I am looking for confirmation from Calvinist that brother Icon is correct.

There is no point in hiding each other's problem texts. I am not allowed to pick and choose any more than I allow it to others. So what are some of Calvinism's problem texts? Icon said Calvinist can make better arguments against Calvinism than non Cals can.

You got nothing...eh

Yeah brother Icon said they existed, but I'm having my doubts. I don't think there are any arguments by Calvinist better than the ones I have put forth. I believe he was just feeling defeated.

Do you understand regeneration is Christ in you? Did these people (supposedly Christians we are speaking of) have the Holy Spirit teaching them not to hate their brothers and sisters? Or do you believe the Holy Spirit was powerless to those who could not read the scriptures for themselves? Is...

And then the pass..... The laws of the land do not trump the law of Christ. Stop giving them a pass.... Keep up brother! The topic has been John Calvin now for quite a few pages. Glad you finally discovered that one. Now go and sin no more....:smilewinkgrin:

1Jo 4:20 - "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen". I place these folks in the same category as the KKK.... Matt 7:23 - "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew...

Both. So do you have a biblical argument against Calvinism?

Well, at least it's an argument I guess........more than any other Calvinists posted. :smilewinkgrin:

:thumbs: If a person cannot see the obvious, how can they be taken seriously when preaching Calvinism?

Unbelievable!! Giving professing Christians a pass because of the times they were living in?? Seriously??? 'Well, hey, everybody else was murdering Christians for disagreeing with the state, so we might as well also'. Are you telling me Calvin didn't have the same Scriptures we have today...