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John 7:39 - "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

Ole darn it! :tear:

Answer me something brother, can Calvinism stand without a pre-cross, pre-glorification of Jesus Christ regeneration theology?

Maybe you missed the part where she agrees with me :smilewinkgrin:

lol, annoyance? No. what is strange sister is that you don't realize that when you agree that regeneration does not happen prior to belief, Calvinism is destroyed. Yet you are still a Calvinist????

How many levels of heaven are there? It appears one of them was called Paradise. The scriptures make it very clear, no one could enter the presence of God, the holy of holies, apart from Jesus Christ's atonement, resurrection and glorification having been accomplished.

I already addressed the thief on the cross, he was part of my argument for Paradise not being in the presence of God (heaven). The atonement was finished, the resurrection and glorification was not. John7:38-39, "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall...

With all due respect brother, you totally ignored all of the scripture I posted and all of my comments I made pertaining to those scriptures. Hebrews makes it perfectly clear, the bulls and goats did not take away the sins. Not only did it not have a lasting effect, it had NO effect. It's only...

Oh my goodness! You people are paranoid or something, "jumped on you"....really......do I have such power to get you all so worked up this way? I believe you guys are just frustrated because I expose all the contradictions of Calvinism...and there are plenty... And of course you all will...

You haven't refuted any of my commentary given within the OP, where I established my pov from the scriptures. Maybe go through it and show me where I am making mistakes.

Those are responses from "dis-satisfied" customers. Sometimes when one has their post scrutinized under the Light and contradictions appear they are going to get a little defensive. This shouldn't really be though if one is truly after the truth. Adjustments to points of view should be what...

Not sure you are reading the same post everyone else is. This is a debate room, correct? Unless you consider disagreement attacking. Please show a quote from me when I attacked her, or anyone else in any other thread for that matter. You may be confusing me with brother Icon....:smilewinkgrin:

The whole premise of Calvinism is that God must first regenerate a person for them to believe. I am glad you agree that this cannot be according to Hebrews, what is puzzling is why you still believe Calvinism is correct.

I assumed you understood Calvinism teaches regeneration (union with God) has always taken place, even before Jesus' sacrifice to take away the sins of the world. You have not answered how a Holy God can join Himself with a sinner before the atonement has been made. Secondly, how a sinner can...

Take off the Calvinism glasses and read it sometime.....

How do you reconcile a believer coming into a holy union with a Holy God (regeneration) before the sacrifice of Jesus Christ taking away their sin? Hebrews makes it clear sin remained until Jesus Christ's sacrifice.

Their sins were not yet forgiven, they remained until Jesus Christ was sacrificed. God could not yet dwell in them, they could not yet enter into the holies. Hebrews makes this crystal clear, but you will have to remove the Calvinism glasses and allow the Spirit to teach you if you want to make...

Excellent exegesis of Scripture! :thumbs: It is tough to persuade those who have already succumbed to the error of Calvinism. I would say even impossible. But there are many observers which are dabbling in understanding these things whom can be helped to avoid the same mistakes.

I will let Preacher Man speak for himself, which I presume is none other than a figment of your imagination, but I do like how you present Christian's case in this segment. I particularly like the part I bolded. It's good Christian recognizes there was no such miracle as regeneration until after...

Did you consider my point Willis? There is a difference between Jesus limiting His knowledge to only what the Father reveals to Him while performing His ministry on earth between His conception until His glorification, and Jesus changing His very nature and moral character of being very God...