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Brother, most of what I know about Calvinism comes directly from Calvinist here on the BB. I would think that Calvinist should understand Calvinism the best, don't you? Now if the scripture declares these works were foreordained, then wouldn't that mean these works WILL be done?? Wouldn't...

Did you understand the question? Rehearse it back to me so I can see that you understand the question. Your answer seems a bit out off subject...

It won't take you to long to see who post the personal attacks and who is able to ask and answer the tough questions. You said your not a Calvinist, I can understand why you do not want to be associate with that camp. It changes people who probably once were very loving to all the brethren...

Aw, little ole me is confusing Calvinist??? Gee Eddie, it could be the Calvinism that's confusing.....Let me ask you a question brother Icon, did God hate you while you were living in iniquity and lost before He then decided to love you?

Isn't it the Cal position that these works spoken of are done by God through us? We do not have any choice in the matter, we cannot fail to do these works which have been prepared for us before God saved us, Correct?

So there is no children songs sung by the children in you guy's churches?

So God hates His sheep and then after He regenerates them He loves them....

Just trying to sort this out. Another Cal poster said one doesn't become a sheep, one is a sheep but just lost until found. So does God hate His sheep before He then loves them when He finds them?

So even though God hated Esau before he was ever born, God could still decide to love Esau later in his life.

That's interesting. So even though God hated Esau before he was ever born, God could still decide to love Esau later in his life.

I would like to see a Calvinist "reason" with these truths you present concerning just who's faith it is God speaks of in these scriptures. And this....

Aw gee Walley, I didn't tear it out, I just scribbled it out with an ink pen. Let me ask you a question brother. Did God hate you before you were born again while you were living in iniquity?

Yes. And that is what Romans 8 is speaking of, those who do things in the flesh to try in please God. God judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. If a lost person does good it pleases God. It does not save the person. Calvinism uses Romans 8 out of context. And now you will post another...

So when a lost person has compassion on the poor and needy, even sacrifices their own time and well being for those less fortunate, not for any personal gain, nor for any attempt to please God to gain favor in some way from God, this does not please God? God hates these lost people going around...

Ah gee Eddie, can we have something different for lunch, I'm not very keen on chicken and dumplings. Maybe chicken potpie!!

Excellent! :thumbs:

Yes, the Apostle's writings are sufficient. I'm sure you would agree. No, your sermon should be more than reading the text. You should be making life applications for Christian living. What you should not be doing, and I'm pretty sure you are not, is going beyond what is written. Like restating...

I think certain topics such as Calvinism and Arminianism make for some entertaining past time, but what we ought to ultimately seek is a deeper relationship with God and to be about our Father's business.

Proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Notice it was not Calvinism he was preaching :smilewinkgrin: And to be fair, nor was it Arminianism either