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Instead of giving your one line snide remarks, how about offering a reason why I should interpret literally (or however you see it)? BTW... I don't hold a replacement theology. I believe Israel continues today, just redefined.

Anyone else have some suggestions or know anything here?

What in the world are you talking about? How is that in any way relevant to the discussion?

I am saying that you are picking and choosing when it is appropriate or not making you the arbiter of truth. If your rule of thumb can not be consistently applied, then it is not worth its weight in study.

Well... you have to start w/ the concept of a 7 year Trib first. Is that in the Bible? But even before that, you have to deal w/ the concept of the restoration of Israel (Acts 15 makes that fairly clear). And to get to that, you have to establish a messianic hermeneutic of the OT rather than...

Grammatically, that doesn't work. It is presented as if the present temple (or whatever we call it) during the time of Haggai and shortly after was going to be better. Now in prophetic language, the grammar can say one thing but indicate another. I just wonder if simply Jesus presence there...

Thanks for the added insight here. Truly helpful :BangHead:

I think if you don't interpret Haggai christologically, you have a hard time making much sense of the book. Specifically, I am referring to 2 places: 1) Hag 2:9 and the latter glory of this house being better than Solomon's temple (cf. Ezra 3:12ff) 2) Hag 2:21-23 and Zerubbabel being used...

We are in great agreement for a change. :D Question for you, do you see any model for one elder to be in charge or leading over the other elders (i.e. senior/lead pastor)

Did you really just admit that "israel" could include gents??? Did you acquiesce and say that it could be taken metaphorically (better theologically) to refer to the elect i.e. the people of God?

You should have given a full quotation as well. Later, Hendryx said, "While it is clear that Arminian Theology and Semi-Pelagianism have a different view of grace; (Arminianism believes God must initiate with grace and Semi-pelagianism believes man must initiate to receive grace)." This makes...

monergism.com does not have a monopoly on all classification definitions and dude, what is your deal? Question... have you read Geisler's chosen but free?

But this is confusing to me (will be my 2nd thread), as was alluded to above. What is this distinction between "the pastor" vs. elders? Why have paid pastors and unpaid pastors? Are their jobs different or less important as the paid staff? Doesn't the NT use the terms interchangeable? Where...

That's not what Paul says. He said the promises are fulfilled in Jesus. There is no hint of postponement with Paul. And Paul said that the promises are fulfilled in Jesus not Israel. 2 Cor. 1:20. (yet again no Scripture citation)

I didn't say that... because that is not semi-pelagianism. Go back and read how I defined that system and you will see how it fits what most non-cals fit.

The Pope would say the same thing about his views as well ("firmly established in the sacred text themselves") Again, it seems a legitimate leap to think the NT writers (and even OT) would use the term "israel" in broader meaning of simply the "people of God." Just as gentiles can have a...

I feel confident in what I proclaim. Like the label or not, most here that are non-calvies are not actually arminian but semi-pelagian. They are the "chosen but free" Geisler brand which is semi-pelagianism. This is not pure arrogance. And labeling someone is not arrogance either. It is...

So why ask the question if you know the answer?

Do you believe a church should have a plurality of elders (think pastor or overseer as interchangeable)? What is your view? THEN, state what your church practices.

Soapbox coming... Most people here are not actual arminians. They are semi-pelagian. Classic arminianism was born out of reformation theology as the 3rd remonstrant demonstrates. They believed in total depravity. They just went about fixing that problem a different way than calvinists...