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Hmmm....I don't buy that bit of eisegesis which owes far more to Luther's naughty allein that he scribbled in the margin of his Bible, rather than to the plain meaning of Scripture itself. Not quite: as it has been explained to me, it is not so much 'co-operation' as 'non-resistance'. And the...

OK, it is possible then that we are using different terms to describe similar if not the same things: you say 'redemption', others speak of 'glorification', Catholics speak of 'purging'; we are all talking about the need for us to become 'holy as God is holy' I believe. My question to you...

Communion, yes, baptism, no.

The verses I find most offensive are the OT passages where God (apparently) commands the Israelites to commit genocide. I'm still trying to figure that one out...

I Cor 3:13-15? (For instance.) Not 'for sin' but rather for the actual eradication of sin. May I pick up on the word 'glorified' which you used. What do you mean by that, and how do you think that happens? Also, what distinction are you making between flesh and spirit and how is this made...

Er...I don't think they do! All the Catholics I know would assert that salvation is a work of grace, whereby God works through man. Why, then, do we continue to sin? [B] I think you're in danger of conflating the two concepts. Forgiven and paid for? Yes, all of it. But purged in the sense of...

I wonder then what you make of John 14:23 and the Scriptures DHK referenced: it seems to me to be pretty clear that Jesus and the Father dwell within us too.

Wait, what? Christ is a polygamist?!!!:eek:

As you yourself have rightly said, it's the Triune Godhead dwelling within us, not 'merely' Christ, therefore this is not relevant to the issue of 'multiple Brides/ multiple Bodies'. There is of course only one Christ, Who has One Body, One Bride.

Then you accept there is such a process?

I had lasagne and then for dessert Goosberry Foal. Don't worry, I'm in a stable condition. I'll get my coat....

None of these verses refer to Christ's Body or His Bride. Not sure what point you're trying to make by quoting them(?) Are you saying that Christ has multiple Brides, that He's a Mormon?

So you don't sin anymore? Wow! Not a Catholic myself, and I don't agree with the word 'punishment' in the definition, but my understanding of it is that, to the extent to which we are not fully transformed into the image of Christ per Rom 12:1-2 when we die, it is necessary for this process...

Are we ever described in Scripture as Christ's Body as individuals? No!

Er...not quite, again...

No. There is one Bride, one Christ, one Body.

Does Christ have more than one Body, then? How many 'Christ's Bodies' are there walking around?

Er...not quite. The will and grace of God are paramount in RC soteriology, not the will of man. Justification for RCs is by Christ, in Christ and by grace, faith and Godly works being the products of that grace when not resisted by man. Neither the faith nor the works are strictly speaking the...

Not forcing. Helping

But I don't just want rhetoric about holy living but actual help to move towards achieving it. ISTM one source of such help is the sacraments