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I'll respond substantively to you on the thread you've started but for now...the Daily Mail:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Hmmm...we have gone the 'other way' as you put it; I'd scarcely classify the UK as a tyranny or dictatorship. Really not sure what point you're trying to make here?

But if ownership is made illegal (a prerequisite for confiscation) then those owning guns will no longer be 'law-abiding', will they?

That way lies anarchy and lawlessness...

Surely it is for the courts - ultimately SCOTUS - to interpret the Constitution, not individual citizens?

So in what sense can they claim to be 'law-abiding citizens', as so many of them do claim?

Good. A step in the right direction. Now they need to follow through.

No, no, no, we don't want him - can't you guys send him to Guantanamo?

Horrendous. For a mother to do that to her son:tear:

Coming back to the 'numbered stepping points', my answer to the last numbered point (ie: after establishing the fallenness of the enquirer and Jesus' atoning death on the cross etc) would be simply this, at first blush: "ask". Further expansion on this last point would include: 1. Repent: this...

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Do you mean this: ? If so, my apologies; I didn't realise that the 'and...' was an explanation of what you meant by becoming a disciple; I assumed it meant 'in addition' to becoming a disciple. But I have some further questions for you arising from that post: And if He doesn't so choose...

Depends what you mean by 'experience'. As something of a 'recovering charismatic', I tend these days not to place great store by my 'feelings'. So, would it be fair to say that you would say to the enquirer, "Ultimately, it's up to the Holy Spirit: either He likes you in which case you'll be...

Referring then to your previous post, would you say that it is necessary (as opposed to advisable/ desirable) for the enquirer to 'explore, review and read' in order to be saved?

"Even the demons believe and tremble."

So, wait for God to do the calling, then? What if He doesn't? I believe in Australia. That doesn't make me an Australian.

So, armed with that, what would you advise your enquirer to actually do? Go away and wait for God to do something? Doesn't that take the responsibility off his/her shoulders somewhat?

I don't think he's allowed to say; some kind of non-disclosure confidentiality agreement he's signed, which obliges him to deny everything when asked :smilewinkgrin:

Thanks for all the replies so far. Whilst I agree with the 'numbered stages' posts, I'm interested in 'drilling down' further with regard to the ultimate numbered stage in each case: you (pl.) use terms such as 'faith', 'believe in', 'trust in', etc - practically speaking, what do these terms...

If Obama and Congress were plumbers, the taps and fawcetts would be leaking again in a few weeks...