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And that response is exactly what I expected from Aaron. Love ya buddy. :laugh:

Of course it's possible with God. None of us deny that. But clearly it is hard if you are rich because "you cannot serve both God and money." Rich people have more of a tendency to serve the latter thus making it more difficult for them to submit to serving God. Why is that interpretation...

Yes, that does appear to be a bit out of character for JF. :tear:

Is being tall a true sign of being blessed by God for entering his kingdom? Of course not. I think we all agree on that point, right. So, if Jesus trying to make that point said, "How hard it is for tall people to enter the kingdom of God!" and "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye...

JF, until you learn to use the quote feature I'm going to have to boycott your posts. :( Sorry, but I've asked nicely, I've sent PMs, I've explained how to do it, and I don't know how else to get you to learn that feature. Press the edit button and practice using that feature. Please. :)

In my opinion, on the practical side of things, it really isn't much difference, Guy. For example, when I hear Icon's testimony I suspect from his "Calvinistic" perspective he feels as if the Spirit effectually regenerated him prior to his seeking the truth in the bible, whereas I tend to...

I actually agree with the point you make here, but if you re-read my OP I think you will see that the purpose of the OP was not to question God's chosen purpose or methods as if their COULD be another, but just the opposite. My purpose was to validate the means of faith God in His sovereignty...

And on this point we most certainly agree. Well said. :thumbsup:

Foreknowledge is different from predetermination and your view seems to make them one in the same. Maybe I'm not understanding your view? Which part? You're analogy falls apart when you examine where the intent of the child to eat the cookie originated. In your view, as I currently understand...

:thumbsup: I suspect we have a lot more in common than we don't in the greater scheme of things. :)

Not to be in any way derogatory toward you personally, but I find that view to make God appear to be somewhat "schizophrenic." What I mean is that it appears God is just getting angry at himself ultimately and thus its all just an act he puts on for our benefit, yet because we are smart enough...

I think Icon's testimony points to an important point. The power of the Spirit's truth. Point people to the truth in love and that is really all you can do. :)

Some of this is in direct response to my interaction with Luke, who IMO has a tendency to take more of an extreme Calvinistic view and "out-Calvin John Calvin," but he gets pretty offended at that charge, so I'm attempting to pull out some of the distinctions. I welcome your questions. Yes, of...

I'm assuming you have me in the latter camp? Please help me understand what you mean by "immediate assent?" I'm just trying to follow you so I can better understand the question. It appears that you are asking the non-Calvinist how we believe the conversion takes place in the life of...

I have the same conviction brother! Preach it!

No, that response is something I actually learned in the scriptures. Read Romans 14.

So then why does Jesus say the words, ""How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" and "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God?" If it DOESN'T mean that it is more difficult for the rich to enter, then please...

Of course not. I think P4T and maybe some others have argued that point, in that Jesus is saying its impossible for the rich, so it is really impossible for you, but "with God all things are possible." I'm agreeing with you that he just says it is "difficult" for the rich. I just believe it...

I wish I could help you to see how inane that question appears to someone who holds to my perspective. I'm not saying that in a derogatory manner, because I used to think like you so I know where you are coming from. I just mean that I want to help you see that question from our view and see...

I'm confused. I need you to clarify your view. I said, "You seem to argue that God chose people based on their being "unwise" or "poor." Is that right?" and you replied... "I don't argue for it; I simply state it." Yet, you say you affirm the doctrine of unconditional election? Please...