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No cost of living raises for current employees, no hiring new employees, potential firing of current employees. For me, they give less to the church and our budget is cut. Not true. Less money for a business owner directly translates to how the employees are paid or if they are even hired...

JesusFan, There is NO biblical reason to believe that a person cannot understand and believe the gospel when it is presented. Why do you think Jesus hid the gospel truth in parables from others "lest they repent and believe and be saved?" He HAD to hide it because it is powerful enough to...

People think this is just about taxes on the rich, but you have to ask yourself this question: Would you rather rich people spend their own money; or would you rather rich government officials spend someone else's money? It is really that simple.

As if we don't pay the government enough of what we earn already. Let's see, we pay... Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax Capital Gains Tax CDL License Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Court Fines (indirect taxes) Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax...

That seems to be the problem. It would be like me with bad debt saying, "I can't rid of my boat, think of my children, they won't have fun this summer. The poor children." I suspect there is enough wasteful spending and OVERSPENDING that could be cut where the "important" things wouldn't...

I know our own personal finances aren't the same as the government, BUT if I took on too much debt the worse thing seems to be to give me more credit so I could take out more debt. It seems that the best thing to do would be to sell my boat, xbox, get rid of the dish network and stop eating...

How do you think it would affect the average Joe like me or you?

That's fine, but if you call what He does before "quickening" then you have said that he must "make us alive" before and after we believe.

I agree. For example, he says he has predetermined for believers to be conformed to the image of Christ, yet some people interpret that to mean God has predetermined who will believe and who won't. I believe if we just look at the what the scriptures actually says IS predestined it would be...

I backslid while I was attempting to read through all those options. What happened to 2-4 choices? For those of us with free-will, this is just too hard! You got to remember we don't have God making the choice for us!!! ;)

I've noticed. But that's why I'm here to catch you. :love2: Just kiddin...that was funny!!!:laugh:

IMO, the real crux of this debate is not even whether or not God knows everything. I personally believe He does. It is about if knowledge, whether pre or post, is determinative. I don't believe foreknowledge is any more determinative over what is known than after-knowledge. If it is, then...

She said they were two different things, so she seemed to be arguing that prior to faith the person must be 'quickened' and after they believe they are 'made alive' as the verse said: Jn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that...

I want your opinion on what you think the worse that could happen if Congress can't reach a compromise and raise the debt ceiling? Is it just a Government shut down like we had in the 90s, or will this be worse? Why?

'Quickens' means to 'make alive.' So, according to your soteriological system God must 'make us alive' so that we can believe and then once again 'make us alive' through his name for salvation. I guess it's pretty easy to find biblical support for the pre-regeneration view when you presume we...

But Israel is being "cut off" too. What does that mean and why would it even be necessary if all are born totally depraved in the sense taught by Calvinists? They are being blinded temporally in order to bring about redemption and to "leave room for the Gentiles." Yes, those being shown...

I totally agree. In the same manner, Israelites also hardened their own hearts and their sin was their own. I think it is a perfect parallel. Again, we agree. This is the idea of self-hardening accompanied by judicial hardening. This is when someone freely rebells thus becoming...

I'm starting to believe that. Maybe it does require a prior work of regeneration to get a Calvinist to understand what we believe? :laugh:

Only in the mind of the one who has yet to put two and two together. :smilewinkgrin: How can they understand something they haven't yet been given? I have no idea what you are talking about and how you think that relates to what I've said. :confused:

Our planned worked! We finally got him to admit it! :smilewinkgrin: