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1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the...

I agree Winman. But God's self limitations as he relates to his creation immanently does not necessitate a limitation of his ability, understanding or knowledge as a transcendent Being. I may be misunderstanding Van, but he appears to argue that these biblical examples of God's self imposed...

You already conceded that you didn't favor raising taxes on anyone and that the government doesn't spend it any more efficiently, so I don't understand your point in saying this. You have just contradicted yourself. You already conceded that Government would not spend the wealthy man's money...

BTW, if I remember correctly, there are many Calvinists who argue that the gospel is also the means of their so-called "irresistible grace." Meaning that God only irresistibly calls the elect through the means of the gospel. They are careful not to in any way separate the power from the gospel...

Yes, and spending is now call "investments." It makes me SICK!!! They think we are all stupid sheep who can't understand their big words. Unfortunately, too many of the voters are just that!:BangHead:

While I take issue with Aaron's use of inflammatory terminology, I must agree in principle. Van, I see no value in arguing against God's full and complete knowledge of all things when you've already admitted that his understanding is unfathomable and beyond measure. It's seems contradictory to...

Enough said then. What does it matter how "rare" you think it is, if this is true? Unless you think raising taxes on the owners helps his employees in any instance, then what does the frequency of it's negativity even matter? If the Government isn't spending the money more effectively and if...

InTheLight, I'll give you another "real world" example. I'll use rounded off numbers for simplicity. I started an LLC several years back with a partner. The business was bringing in around $2000 a month. Now, as business owners we had a choice to divide the profits and each make about...

Tell that to them as they wait in the unemployment line because the Government needed another grant for a display of Jesus in Urine. (a real thing paid for by tax payers) You are setting up a false dichotomy. I don't think it has to be either or. I don't believe Government needs to be taxing...

He might do either. He might choose to cut an employees job to keep his at the desired level, or he might cut his own spending. Either way it hurts the "little people" for the reason I explained above. Oh, so because its not enough for one employee you don't think its going to affect his...

:thumbs: That is correct. The business owner has a house payment and other possible debts; and he is use to a certain level of income, right? So, that income level goes from 275,000 to 255,000. That is enough for anyone to live off of, they need to share their wealth. Spread it around...

I don't know how you can say that. Who do you think builds, maintains, cleans and houses those yachts? Who do you think sells and maintains that jewelry? Who paints and sells that art? Who benefits when the wealthy go on vacation? Who gets them to their location in the travel industry, who...

Your statements give the impression that you believe that there are some born "tares," "children of the devil," "objects of wrath," and who will remain so until death and damnation without hope of reconciliation. Truth is, that all are born as children of the devil and objects of wrath as ones...

So, are there any politicians you know of who understand this and are willing to do it?

Yet, even there we have posters continually interrupting to say the same thing as this OP. How about we create a separate forum for everyone here who believes that certain appropriate topics should be off limits so they won't keep surprising us with these types of posts? That way if we...

:thumbs: Well stated. And balancing is the first step! The next step is downsizing, just as it would be with our personal finances, right?

Right, and explain why it was necessary to use parables to hide this truth, if indeed they were born unable to understand and receive it?

Well, prior to the gospel being sent there were those whose faith was credited to them as righteousness (i.e. Abraham and the list of those in Heb. 11), so I'm sure it's possible, but what we know is that God's clear plan for redemption is for people to hear the gospel appeal to be reconciled...

He is paid by the business he owns, is he not? My brother is a small business owner and he invested his own personal money to keep his business going, so yes they are directly connected. He has INVESTED his life and personal income to keep it going. You take money out of his pocket you will...

Then explain why Jesus said that he must hide the truth in parables lest they repent and be saved? I think you may have the words internal and external mixed up. The gospel is an external working produced and carried by the HS. It affects those who hear it internally by giving them the...