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  1. J

    Baptism of the Great Commission

    First and foremost nobody has said that the only way to be saved is to be baptized, that's just how you perceive it. Nobody has said we are saved by baptism alone. It is interesting that you are called a baptist, yet struggle so hard with seeing plain scripture. Paul who wrote your proof text...
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    Passages that deal with salvation ignored!

    If one does not have godly sorrow then he will not repent. John the baptist showed the multitudes that fruit of repentance is part of true repenting, if there is no fruit then there is no true repentance. Of course it makes no sense to me for someone to repent of anything unless they understood...
  3. J

    Passages that deal with salvation ignored!

    I have been on this post for several weeks, I have enjoyed it very much, thanks again for all those who put up with me. But I would like to make an observation and I think it will be interesting if we can deal with the passages in the New Testament that deal with the word saved, salvation. Since...
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    church of Christ

    Not of Works Paul taught that initial salvation is "not of works." Does this concept eliminate any and all physical activity from connection with salvation? No. The supposition that Paul's "not of works" comments rule out all physical responses to the Gospel are not based on Scripture, but on...
  5. J

    church of Christ

    The question was answered, but since I did not answer it your way it is not satisfactory to you, but that's ok. Your writtings in response to Acts 8 do not talk about Acts 8, now your not dealing with the passage that I used to explain the question you say that I never answered, instead you...
  6. J

    Once Saved Always Saved?

    Steaver wrote: "YES"!!!!!!! I DO IN FACT :The passages certainly speak for themselves and yet even within the context of the small but powerful epistle it is easily seen that Paul's intent in writting to Timothy was very simple and flows fine with the original post: A. Why is Paul...
  7. J

    Baptism of the Great Commission

    This is not an interpretation, it is a fact of the grammatical force of the statements of Jesus. It is not mistake that the New Testament is written in Greek. Its not about finding another passage somewhere else that fits your doctrine, because we can do this for the next two years. If you...
  8. J

    Once Saved Always Saved?

    The earliest Christians taught that perseverance was not guarenteed, and that many true Christians would not finish the race, and would be lost. Intense persecution in the early Church brought this issue to the fore. Some were faithful even to martyrdom, and others forsook the Faith when faced...
  9. J

    Baptism of the Great Commission

    Mark 16:16 16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. NASU When a participle has the definite article, it is being used as a substantive (like a noun – a person, place, or thing). When we have two substantives in the...
  10. J

    Once Saved Always Saved?

    Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. -note that Christ is speaking to His disciples here. Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye...
  11. J

    church of Christ

    Tisk, Tisk, very snarky. I already stated a while go in a post that I did not see scriptural evidence for being rebaptized after one falls from the faith. It appears from scripture that when one errors one must repent and pray. Acts 8:22-23 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and...
  12. J

    Baptism of the Great Commission

    It really does not matter what is thought regarding the grammatical force of the sentence. The point was really to help those who are honest about wht it really says and what it really means. The force of the Greek language shows that diciples are made by baptizing the nations. Ask any honest...
  13. J

    Once Saved Always Saved?

    B. Paul’s first example 1. 1 Tim 1:19-20; 19 keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. 20 Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme. NASU a. At...
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    church of Christ

    Syllogism Number One: 1. All Spiritual Blessings are in Christ. (Ephesians 1:3) 2. But one is baptized into Christ. (Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27) 3. Therefore, one must be baptized to get to spiritual blessings. Syllogism Number Two: 1. Redemption is in Christ. (Ephesians 1:7) 2. But...
  15. J

    church of Christ

    Luke 15:21-24---The father was overjoyed that his prodigal son returned. When we meet God’s conditions for salvation, we become “born-again.” Because we are born again, we are adopted as God’s children. If the parable of the prodigal son means anything, it is that a son cannot cease to...
  16. J

    Baptism of the Great Commission

    Thats funny, Im the borderline heritic and your the one saing that it is YOUR OWN PERSONAL FAITH ALONE THAT SAVES YOU. Did you read the post before your post, do YOU OLD REGULAR understand what it is saying???????????????????????????????????????????????????? Ask someone who understands the...
  17. J

    church of Christ

    I might, that is of course if I am elected to be saved and if the Holy Spirit will work on my heart before generation so that i can understand the word and so God can repent and believe for me. Oh wait, wrong doctrine, sorry. Well I guess you got me pegged, YEH !!!!!you win, or wait maybe...
  18. J

    church of Christ

    I believe that when a human being comes to obey the Gospel and are stedfast to the faith they will inherit the promise of God of etenal life, no matter what label they amy or may not have. For me to say that all people in a particular group are all saved is to assume that I know their hearts and...
  19. J

    church of Christ

    There may be some truth to the atmophere that you may experience when you go to certain congregations, but I do not see coc folks as the gate keepers. Nobody has decided who is admitted. I would like to hear some of the "CULTLIKE" symptoms that the congregation that I worship with has, since you...
  20. J

    church of Christ

    John 15:1,2 - Jesus said, "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He TAKES AWAY..." ~ Note: This is someone in Christ who gets taken away because they did not bear fruit. The Greek word for "fruit" is "karpos." It means "that which...
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