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Er...no; it was your thinking you could presume to judge others' salvation that you were rightly called on. As WM said above to Walter, "take it like a man".

You asked about liturgies. I answered. Stop moving the goalposts again. No it doesn't. It just demonstrates that at that time in Ephesus the terms were used interchangeably; even today, all bishops are also presbyters, but not all presbyters are bishops... The Apostolic period and the NR...

When you're in a hole, stop digging....

Just re-phrasing your opinion doesn't make it any more true! Er...no. You obviously have never actually read any liturgies from the 1st century. Try the Liturgy of St James (qv) or the Liturgy of St Mark used by the Alexandrian Church. Again, read the Liturgies of the NT era and you will see...

'Apostate' is merely your opinion - the tradition of man! The Divine Liturgies, though they may differ in form, do not differ in substance one jot. You can compare the Liturgy of St James form c 60AD used in the Jerusalem Church with our own Church of England Eucharistic Prayers and see the...

Dr Walter, I'd be interested in how you would suggest one deals with the following problem which is as self-evident today as it was in the 5th century when these words were written by Vincent de Lerins: [/FONT][/COLOR]

Spot on! Lex orandi, lex credendi in action!:thumbsup:

I have it, but what is the point - you will just dismiss it as 'Romanism' (whatever that means; you're like Humpty Dumpty in that regard). If you will accept patrsitic evidence then there is plenty and I will cite it but, like Zenas, I have a business to run and don't want to waste my time...

You can say the same with regard to copyists' errors re Biblical MSS. And we're not talking about a game of Chinese whispers when we're talking about oral Tradition either. We are talking about: (a) What the Apostles taught consistently to their successors and what those successors...

That's just your take on it - and one not borne out by the evidence.

Or I Cor 11:2: "I praise you...for holding on to the traditions, just as I passed them on to you".

His opinion was insulting, as was your reply to Briony-Gloriana. I was calling him on that, and I'm calling you on your insulting reponse to her offer to pray for you. She deserves an apology and if you are a gentleman you will give it.

Evidently you've never come across this expression before. Try here and be educated

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You might also add all of I Jn 3

How very charitable of you! Tell me, who died and made you god?

The last paragraph of your post previous to mine.

So, um, what is Jesus then? (Hint: try Philippians 2:7 in the Greek...)

Like I said, in your weird universe...

Indeed. In other words, pure speculation and just your opinion. Nuff said.