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The biggest source of unreliability on this thread would appear to be DHK, not the Patristic period writers: he's wrong on his revisionist take on church history, doctrinal meaning and Scriptural interpretation.

A glance around you at the real world will demonstrate that you are incorrect in these observations on capitalism.

The modernistic, materialistic elements of both are evil since they go against the spiritual which is to be found only in Christianity in its true form.

Which year in the 4th century?

<Shrug> And capitalism favours the rich over the poor, which is anti-Micah 6, oh, and Amos, etc etc. And it encourages greed, which is anti-Christian. And it encourages the concentration of power in the hands of the rich, which is evil IMO. You see, both systems have their flaws and are, in...

Er...which is Apostolic Tradition. You clearly misunderstand the term. Hopefully now you will begin to know what it is. Quite a bit, I suspect, given that he had met with the other Apostles and learned teaching from them. In any case, I was demonstrating the principle that the precedent for...

Both are neutral/ equally amoral.

The paranoid conspiracist in me thinks the latter, but it's probably more a case of the corporations controlling the government. Certainly true in the UK.

You're forgetting the corporates....

Ooh, a proof-text battle of NT texts with paradoseis! Ok, I'm game: I Cor 11:2: I praise you for remembering me in everything, and for holding on to the teachings, just as I passed them on toyou. I Cor 11:23: For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you... 2 Thess 2:15: So...

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Only time will tell whether the term 'Islamic state' means anything more in Tunisia and Libya than the term 'Christian state' means in England...

...resulting in epistemological chaos. Riiiight..... Everyone's his own Pope, then.

There is one Christ, therefore there is only One Body. It's quite logical.

Except that a mere cursory glance around these boards quite clearly demonstrates that Scripture is anything but final and all sufficient.

So how many Bodies does Christ have?

Thanks for the reply, David. I think, in answer to your question posed above, that - unless you are a Trail of Blood aficionado - the historical fact is that the Undivided Church was the only show in town until 1054. Things went awry after that, granted, and it is now impossible to point to any...

David, I respectfully disagree: SS adherents disagree on fundamental issues such as soteriology (Calvinists -v- Arminians), as well as perhaps more secondary but nevertheless important issues that affect how we function as Christians such as pneumatology (cessationists -v- charismatics)...

Um...well, suicide would seem to be an obvious example...

I thought it was against BB rules to question the salvation of a fellow member?