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I'm saying this objectively, not as a point of debate: From my experience the Calvinistic pastors tend to have more longevity in their churches, so you are going to be hard pressed to find a "reformed" church where you can serve. Those I've seen where it has worked are those who take in...

Luke, I think you make a valid point regarding the scope of the studies. I'd be interested in seeing stats related to the SBC only. That is just untrue. People are not snuffing scholarship in the other thread, they are snuffing the manner in which the subject has been approached. Most if...

That is your opinion. Can you explain to us why discussing God's influence on our scholarship is unrelated to this discussion? Or is it that you recognize the difficulty in rebuking those who are only doing what God has casually determine them to do and would rather not be confronted with that...

It's all any gentile had prior to the coming of Christ, yet there are those who feared the Lord and whose "faith was credited to them as righteousness." No one is saved apart from Christ's atoning work, but clearly there were generations of people who didn't know of his work prior to his coming...

Of course He does, but are you presuming that He does so irresistibly? No one seems to be disagreeing with those points. :thumbsup:

What is that amount and where in scripture is this taught specifically? According to Paul they clearly saw and understood enough to be "without excuse," so how can you presume more knowledge was required? I'll stop here for now and wait for an answer...

And I'm asking how God's influence on one's scholarship and desire to speak is a red herring and unrelated to this discussion? Do you just not want to bring God's influence in on this discussion so you can continue to rebuke men for not desiring what God has casually determined them not to...

In that case you would have a good excuse not to trust me, which is exactly the point Paul is seeking to disprove regarding what the people know about God..."his eternal qualities and divine nature"...certainly enough to find him trustworthy, don't you think? Agreed, but earlier you said the...

I'm not sure how it is a red herring to bring up the point that you are challenging people to do what only God can causally determine them to do through the manipulation of their nature/desires. In your deterministic view, God has to give man the desire to be studious and nothing else...

I think we agree here on principle Luke. As usual it is the harsh edge that comes with your words that most have difficulty with. Please allow me to try to say the same thing in a bit more "kind" manner and see if you can agree. To say "you ought not to talk about it" suggests that people...

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for. My advise is to find a school that will challenge you and give you the best education and then seek ways to get scholarships and financial aid for that institution. I doubt you will be happy or really fulfilled just trying to find the...

And don't think that doesn't happen. I know of several Calvinistic guys who can't get preaching jobs because of their beliefs and others who keep it secret so they can get hired. They justify it by reasoning that the laypeople on a search committee just don't understand what Calvinism really...

You actually made the same point I was attempting to make when you wrote: "I say this out of love, because I'm trying to explain to you why people keep chafing at your posts: You come across as the self-appointed authority on the things of God, talking about who's qualified and who isn't, with...

He sure does, and to me it sounds condemning and legalistic. I could be wrong, but that is just the way it sounded to me which is why I said what I did. If that is not what he intends to sound like then I'd recommend he'd learn to rephrase his words because I think its quite clear from the...

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I'm just wondering how many verses should you have memorized for it to be considered "enough?" How long each day should you study the bible for it to be considered "enough?" How versed does one need to be on the various theological positions on various topics before it's "enough?" Does the...

I think that is the way it appears to many who don't fully understand the more compatibistic explanations of how men make choices, which wouldn't be "against our will," but it would be casually determining one's nature/desires, which in turn would determine our will. IOW, they don't typically...

No, I don't believe they were saved, just that they had the knowledge necessary for salvation. You can't trade the truth in for a lie unless you first have the truth. Did you know you wife before you got married? Sure you did. Did you know her in the same manner you know her now? Of course...

I found this to be an interesting article: HERE> Thoughts?

I don't believe all "classical" Arminians believed this and taught it in the manner we see presented here. Some may have, but not all. It's kind of like all the various forms of Calvinism. Who is to say what is true "classical" Calvinism since so many disagree as to what Calvin himself...