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You're not answering my question. If we pray without speaking in an unknown language, are we praying in the Spirit or not?

Just so we all understand correctly what you just wrote: so if we pray without speaking in an unknown language, we're not praying in the Spirit?

To edify the body. Because you keep refusing to understand basic grammar that says these are NOT separate. We are not to speak in other languages without understanding. And you keep missing the point that Paul said if it is without understanding, then it is as sounding brass, or a tinkling...

.... Do you also agree with Paul that the gifts are for the edification of the body? Then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you're saying whenever we pray, it must be in other languages. Exactly. Babble. Thank you for acknowledging that. I am saying that you have NO...

So we agree that what happened in Acts 2 is a form of preaching. He also says that if you speak other languages without love, you are as sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal. And who should we have that love for? Love for ourselves? Or love for others? Then you are not truly reading those...

So you've never heard preaching like this? Then you're ignoring what those verses say. You're making a distinction that actually makes your argument for speaking in languages worse. Consider: When I speak, whether it be in a known language or an unknown language, do I speak babble? Or do I...

Is this not an example of preaching? PLEASE re-read the list of verses I've provided from 1 Cor 12, 1 Cor 13, 1 Cor 14, and Eph 4. If you can, then please show where scripture shows that spiritual gifts are for the edification of the self. Please re-look at v.19 with the context of the entire...

So it is NOT declaring the wonderful works of God? Even though that's exactly what Acts 2 says they heard the apostles saying? We all agree; reading and praying build you up. What we're discussing is whether the spiritual gifts are meant to build ourselves up, or others. Again, the subject is...

They spoke of the wonderful works of God; is that not preaching? You've never heard a preacher talk about the miracles of God? Which spiritual gift is reading the Bible? Jude says pray in the Holy Spirit; does this mean whenever you pray, you must pray in another language? Do you do that...

...or a union shop in France....

In London, they now have cameras on street corners. They don't just watch traffic; they also watch pedestrians. If the system recognizes an action like dropping litter, speakers mounted with the cameras play a child's voice asking them to please pick up their trash. Joe Lieberman proposed...

So your point is - speaking in languages wasn't evangelizing? For showing people the power of God? NO. I said using the gifts for self is bad. NO. You refuse to read 1 Cor 14:4 in context. Paul is not saying "speaking in languages is edifying to self"; he's saying, "speaking in languages is...

Actually, I can kill off all 65 with one passage (Ephesians 2): 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before...

For me personally, it's the opposite: if I'm doodling, it's usually in relation to something I'm thinking about, and I tend to fixate on what I'm doodling and block out external stimuli. But that's just me.

Um...maybe I'm just being dense, but the link you provided is to an Amendment that's 867 pages long, not 119. The amendment allows for "sufficient agents"; nowhere does it specify 20,000 agents. It adds extra "unarmed unmanned aerial surveillance." The Southern Border Fencing Strategy is to...

The same people who were using the church bulletin to doodle?

1 Cor 12:7* But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal 1 Cor 12:25* That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 1 Cor 13:1* Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not...

The problem with that argument is that it can also be used for groceries, tools, restaurants, cars, and pretty much everything else.

"Some"? Try "most." Background checks aren't required for private sales; everywhere else must do them. So could my knives, shovels, axes, and golf clubs.

If you have something intelligent and meaningful to add, then by all means....