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I prefer the NKJV, partly because I like the additions to the text being put in italics, and partly because I believe that the Majority Text is more likely to be correct than the Critical Text. Here are some of my thoughts on the textual question: Critical Text or Traditional Text?

I don't think it's a question of differing texts, but a genuine difference over the correct translation of the Hebrew. However, both are true. God does judge the righteous and He is just Judge. The important point is that He is angry with the wicked every day. The 'simplicity' of God is an...

For some reason I don't seem to be able to post on the 'Early Atonemnt View' thread. Perhaps @JonC would kindly look into that for me. However, I have found some extracts from the ECFs and added one more from a later period: 1. Clement of Rome. 'In love the Ruler took us to Himself. Because...

Do you not perhaps think that you owe thanks to God for sending His beloved Son to suffer and die for you, to bring you to Him? The human judge you spoke about did nothing for you except execute the law. If God had done nothing for you except to execute the law, you would now be in deep, deep...

This begs the question of why the Lord Jesus had to die on the cross, bearing our sins and the curse attached to them. But with regard to your suggestion that God's wrath is only a future event, I refer you to Romans 1:18ff. You should also note that the words 'anger' and 'wrath' are often...

I think you will find that I did not say that Christ is impure. But I am right that nothing impure will enter heaven. Do you believe that Christ has not entered heaven???? That seems to be what you are suggesting. Of course! Good. It is a small but important point that God did not punish...

I really don't think you have. I asked: And also: If you actually have answered these questions, please accept my apologies and point me to where you have done so. The posts come so thick and fast that I may have missed it. Otherwise, I look forward to reading your responses.

I think you should answer some of my questions to you before you expect me to answer any more of yours.

I told you why? Because nothing impure will enter into heaven. We must not only be declared righteous (justified), but we must also be made righteous. No. Romans 3:25-26 applies. No time to write more at present, but surely that is clear enough?

Why on earth would you suppose that? If the debt is paid in full then God can give believers new birth and still be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus. Nothing impure will enter the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:27), so unless one is born again he will neither see nor enter the...

Really? One more time. 'For when we were still without strength, Christ died for the ungodly.' Does that mean that God justifies the wicked? YES! 'For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love for...

It is a delight to see you quoting some Scripture for a change. Thank you. Will you explain, please, exactly what you understand by 'Christ suffered for sins once for all time'? How is this not God punishing the righteous? And what do you understand by 'for sins'? You seem to be edging...

But your system (if I may call it that) does nothing to satisfy the justice of God. It does not allow God to be just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus. God gives ungodly people a new birth (I assume that's what you are talking about) and bingo! They have their Get out of...

How about the paralyzed man in Luke 5:20? Man, your sins are forgiven you. Was he saved or not?

If this is so, then there is no hope for anyone as I said. And it will not do for you to say that it is a logical fallacy. It is what you say. Well I think you may be suggesting that He is. Romans 5:6, 8-9. 'For when we were still without strength, in due time, Christ died for the ungodly...

In fact, you were the one who introduced Augustine (post #61 on the 'Disagreements about the atonement' thread). You were also the one who kept introducing the church fathers and, of course, the one who started this thread. Just saying.

Well, we're all in big trouble then! 'As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one!"' It looks like we need a Saviour! But it isn't going to be Jesus. :Frown Unless, of course the Bible is true (Isaiah 53:5-6)! :D

It would need to be re-posted on the Open Forum.

If I had posted posts #1-3, @JonC would have dismissed them as "snippets" and demanded that I write great reams of "context." But let that pass. As I wrote on another thread, Augustine's body of work is vast and he contradicted himself enough for both Roman Catholics and Protestants to claim...

I don't think I am. It's just a question of reading the plain meaning of the verses. 'Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted....' We can surely agree that on the cross our Lord was indeed 'stricken' and 'afflicted' -...