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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    With respect, I think you may have missunderstood the text. "...we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions...", etc. First of all, He was smiiten by God. Isaiah 53:10. 'Yet it pleased the LORD to crush Him; He has put Him to grief.' See...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    What you don't understand (or choose to forget) is that the Lord Jesus is our Mediator and our Surety or Guarantor. I explained all that on another thread a short while ago, but the gist of it is this. It is an extract from the extended piece that I wrote on this board ten years or more ago...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    Lol.... no. @JonC always insisted that a larger portion of Scripture would disprove what anyone could see they were saying. He would have had me typing out the entire corpus of their writings! But he never actually troubled himself to print them out himself. Of course, they aren't...
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    Apostolic Ministry, cessation of of Gifts?

    There was a time when God spoke through a donkey. Do I believe that He could do the same today if He wishes? Absolutely! But I am not going to suppose that all donkeys can talk and only keep quiet because they have nothing to say. Nor am I going to hang about at the nearby Donkey Sanctuary...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    I quoted part of Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho the Jew. Someone else has quoted from Clement of Rome. Do I really have to dig them out and post them again? No, because all you will do is wait a couple of weeks and then post as if they didn't exist. And I responded in considerable...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    It goes back to the very earliest writings of the 'apostolic fathers.' It comes from a whole stream of godly men. It holds the Biblical view of Divine justice If the Lord Jesus taking away our sins materializes them. It takes its understanding of the atonement from the word of God. It is...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    [Continuation] 5. On the Cross we can see the end of all our sins. ‘And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6). If my iniquities have been laid upon Christ they are no longer on me. To be sure, there is still sin in me for I still carry the relic of my old Adamic...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    What I mean is that Christ was pierced for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him. It pleased God to crush Him and put Him to grief. What exactly is your problem with that? Just to be clear, it is finished (John 19:30). God set Him...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    On the cross, everything was accomplished for our salvation (John 19:28) according to the plan set forth before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2 etc.). That starts with God's righteous anger against sin and sinners being propitiated, but it does not finish there. Obviously, it opens the way...
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    Apostolic Ministry, cessation of of Gifts?

    Miraculous healings in the N.T. were very much the domain of the apostles, and maybe one or two of the Apostolic Band. Notice how Luke separates the apostles from the other Christians in regard to miracles. Acts 2:43. ‘Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done...
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    Apostolic Ministry, cessation of of Gifts?

    First of all, I’d like to explain what I mean by the word, Cessationism. 1. I do not believe that all miracles have ceased today. Every time someone is saved it is a miracle of God’s power and grace, and He is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think. However, I do not...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    @JonC, you seem to think that salvation ought to be something terribly complicated. I have no time at present to reply to your incessant flow of posts; only to say that the atonement is actually very simple. It is summed up in one word - love. What was it, O our God, Led The to give Thy Son...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    One of the stranger features of @JonC's theology is that he seems to be clearer on what other people believe than he is about what he himself believes. I don't recall using the word "accountability" in any of my posts but that has not deterred him from claiming that I believe it. However, let's...
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    Disagreements about the Atonement

    The reason I know that @JonC knows he is losing the discussion is that he is becoming more and more shrill and personal, and less and less Biblical. I do indeed thank God with all my heart that the Lord Jesus has taken away my sin by paying the full atonement for them on the cross. One reason...
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    1JN.2:2...A.W.Pink

    We have covered this so many times. For God to convict the innocent would indeed be an abomination, but Christ was never convicted of anything. You are thinking of Steve Chalke's "Cosmic child abuse" line. The Lord Jesus, the righteous one (Isaiah 53:11; 1 Peter 1:18-19) willingly took our...
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    Snuggling With Satan?

    You still do not explain why our Lord had to die. You say God had Him killed, and then He was happy. Why is God reconciled to man? Why are we not held accountable for our actions? You say that God gave us new birth. Indeed so, but why did Christ have to suffer and die in such a terrible way...
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    1JN.2:2...A.W.Pink

    JonC, You really need to stop making a fool of yourself. You sound like some medieval pope passing ot anathemas on anyone who opposes his dictats. What we all notice is that the more shrill and angry you get, the less your posts have anything to do with Scripture. We also notice that whenever...
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    New Book on the Doctrine of Scripture

    Well, the Tyndale 1526 New Testament will be being re-published any time now (if it hasn't appeared already!) as we approach 500th anniversary of its being smuggled into England in March of that year. Perhaps we can all use that. I prefer Tyndale to any the the translators of the KJV.
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    New Book on the Doctrine of Scripture

    Good for Mark Ward. There is much to admire about the TBS, and I would support it financially if only it was not so tightly tied to the KJV.
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    1JN.2:2...A.W.Pink

    Thank you! I thought we would never get there. No, it is restoration to the party injured. If the community is injured, albeit accidentally (v.6), then the restitution is to the community. That is just. Good to remember at this time of year that 'Christ Jesus came into the world to save...
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