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  1. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    This is reading the NT back into the OT, a common practice of covenant theologians, but not very valid theologically. I see no theological reason for doing so. Not really. "Caught up" in 1 Thess. 4:17, the most important rapture passage, is the Greek harpazo (ἁρλπἀζω) occurs in 12 other verses...
  2. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    So you don't believe in a rapture? But in 1 Thess. 4:17 we are "caught up" to Christ in the clouds. And in Acts 1:11 Jesus will come in the clouds. this is quite different language than that used for the second coming of Christ. This is confusing. You have said there is "only one second...
  3. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Reasons I am not post trib (in addition to exegesis), because it makes no sense to me because: 1. It has Jesus making two trips, one after the other: coming down for the rapture, then coming for the 2nd coming. Human nature does not allow for that unless someone forgets something the first time...
  4. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Well, he's been post trib for a long time. Not sure I can convince him he's wrong! :Coffee
  5. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    And? What does that mean to me? I'll be in the first resurrection, but certainly don't believe it is post rapture.
  6. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Okay, thanks.
  7. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Rev. 3:10 refers to the Rapture taking us away from the tribulation. The word "from" is the Greek ek, or out of, so the church will not go through the Tribulation, but be taken out before it.
  8. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Well, then, I apologize, but I haven't figured out yet where you are coming from. Are you post-trib, then, or what?
  9. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Okay, go ahead and discuss.
  10. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Right. And what does that mean? Is there a real, literal 1000 years or not?
  11. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    No, there is a huge difference. If His kingdom were only of Heaven and not on earth, He would not have said "from" (Greek ek). If I say, "I work Tennessee" when I'm in Wisconsin, that means I no longer work in Tennessee. So when Jesus says His kingdom is from Heaven, that indicates a kingdom on...
  12. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    I'm not really sure which post of mine you are answering here, nor exactly what you are trying to say. What position are you positing?
  13. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Hmmmmmm. :Thumbsdown
  14. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    If he is, he is not understanding the doctrine. No one in dispensationalism calls the Rapture a "second coming." In the Rapture, as I'm sure you know, Jesus doesn't come to earth. And of course historical premillennialism has the same doctrine. It's Bible!
  15. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    First of all, the meaning of the parable was very plain in v. 11. It was to counteract the disciples' thinking that the kingdom was coming right away. Since it is a parable, it is designed to have only one meaning or theme. Secondly, it is a parable, so therefore it is not designed to be the...
  16. John of Japan

    The "D" Chart

    Not exactly. What Jesus actually said was "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36), with the world "of" being the Greek ek, meaning "from." What are the "several" dispensational theories you mean? If you prefer covenant theology, it also has "several" theories, so what is your point with...
  17. John of Japan

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    "Administration" is not the usual word for a dispensation, but not necessarily wrong. The Biblical term "dispensation" is the Greek oikonomia, occurring 7 times and meaning a stewardship. Charles Ryrie says, "A concise definition of a dispensation is this: a distinguishable economy in the...
  18. John of Japan

    Matt 17:21 - Is it original?

    Here is Since there is no satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally present in Matthew, should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses [doesn't list them--JoJ], and since copyists frequently inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that most manuscripts have...
  19. John of Japan

    A Beginner's Case for the Byzantine Text with Maurice Robinson

    He actually wrote a book against the KJVO movement: King James Onlyism: A New Sect, self published in 2006. It's over 600 pages, and has a lot of information about KJV history, English translations, the Greek texts, etc. However, he was well known as a Hebrew scholar, but was not a Greek...
  20. John of Japan

    A Beginner's Case for the Byzantine Text with Maurice Robinson

    The better style is one lesser reason I believe it is closest to the autographs, because it makes more sense for a text that would be verbally inspired. Whether it is the oldest is debatable from Byzantine textform standards. And there are very early mss with Byzantine readings. "In addition...
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