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Sounds like your problem, Scarlet, not mine.

That could be said of a handgun, totally harmless until it's taken in hand. As far as the rule of no drums and guitars, etc. you wouldn't understand if I explained it. That being you don't want to understand.

Nope, can't do that my friend. I was instructed to take my problems straight to the Throne, not the ones standing around the Throne or flying around it.

You could be right. I like the rule in our Church, don't let it in and it can't get out of control.

When I was in the Army many moons ago I dated a girl that invited me to her Pentecostal Church. That was my introduction to the drums in worship service. All I could hear was that guy beating on the drums, all I could see was people falling on the floor rolling around like animals.

Cathode, why does the Church have statues and paintings of angels? Do you worship them or are they just buddies in case you need them?

You and Christ are the only ones I know that say they can call on angels if needed. Christ I believe, but I have my doubts about you, and lots of other doubts about Catholicism.

I guess it was about 4-5 years ago I was on vacation out of state and I visit the local Baptist Church that Sun. morning. I walked in the front door and was greeted and when i began looking for a seat I seen the drums on stage. I walked out and went fishing early that morning. I guess I'm old...

I agree with you, Brother, but most will not.

Whatever you say, Cathode. It's just another reason I'm a Protestant and you're a Catholic.

You are granting power to yourself that you don't have. The angels are like the Presidents cabinet, they work at his pleasure, not anyone else.

There's a chain of command with God just as the military. When you break that chain of command you have disobeyed the foundation of command. Calling on an angel to "sort things out" is breaking the chain! Unlike the military, our orders are to take our requests to the Throne of God. Heb...

Well said! How many of us would be singing hymns and praising the Lord while locked fast in the stocks in prison for our faith as was Paul?

There are times when I have great difficulty in understanding why bad things happen to God's people. The Lord allows it or it wouldn't happen and angels have a hand in some of it. I don't understand it but it all works in the Lord's purpose for good in some way.

I agree with most of what you say. But the angels serve the Lord's purpose not man's. At times all of us face the fact of the "hedge" being lowered and Satan can get to us. It serves the Lord's purpose in our testing of the faith to make us stronger or reveal we are not where we should be.

Yes it's Biblical. Satan told the Lord he couldn't get to Job for the hedge built around him. But that hedge didn't come from the command of Job, it came from the Lord. We make our requests known to the Lord, not the angels.

It's called determining doctrine by Scripture explaining Scripture.

There are many major doctrines in Scripture determined by the process of elimination, because there in no single verse that confirms it. Justification by faith in Christ alone is only one of them.

As many things are not clearly written in Scripture, there is a process of elimination seen. Paul makes it clear that works has nothing to do with salvation, and in fact shows us it's the opposite of Grace. He further shows us that if salvation is by works it is no more of Grace. Rom. 11:5-6.

These works that we do as born-again believers also reaches into what we believe and what we teach others. It will be judged. This is where the local pastor comes mainly in focus but we all will be judged on these things.