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Where is the water? “ Born again of water and spirit “ All the Fathers believed water baptism was regeneration. It was universal Christian belief for the first 1500 years until strange rebellious men started preaching their new human gospels. It is however is still the majority belief of...

Dave, if I thought someone was worshipping bread, I would do everything I could to turn them from what is blatant and obvious, and horrific idolatry. What nuance is there Dave if you think the Eucharist is just bread. ‘ Well, their worship is a little “misplaced” Misplaced?? It’s dead wrong...

What I have been trying to get across is the incredible reality of Jesus in the Eucharist. By scripture, the Fathers and personal experience. I know the Eucharist is Jesus, it’s not a joke, Jesus flesh really is real food and His blood really is real drink. Jesus was telling the truth. Jesus...

Yes mate. “For the blood of the grape–that is, the Word–desired to be mixed with water, as His blood is mingled with salvation. And the blood of the Lord is twofold. For there is the blood of His flesh, by which we are redeemed from corruption; and the spiritual, that by which we are anointed...

I should read Catholic history with a Catholic lense. Their understanding of the Eucharist and mine are the same. It is the flesh and blood of Christ. The Mass today is modeled the same as Justin’s, that is where our model came from. Baptism to Justin was water baptism, this was regeneration to...

These Fathers are Catholic patrimony, these are reason we believe what we believe. As with the Scriptures all the Fathers writings come down to us through the Catholic Church.

If I am reading Baptist history, I’ll read it with a Baptist lense. You are trying to read Catholic history with a Baptist lense. These Fathers are part of Catholic Apostolic Tradition, we believe the doctrines that Fathers like Justin handed down. Our understanding of the Eucharist comes...

Catholics received their understanding and doctrine through the Fathers who learned from the apostles. These are the Catholic fathers of our faith handed down from the Apostles. “And this food is called among us Eucharistia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who...

Justin Martyr 155 ad in his first Apology chapter 65 gives the general form of the Divine Liturgy we practice today at Mass. The Church was in hiding for 300 years, so you won’t find public exposition where people were being killed for the Catholic Faith. For not as common bread and common...

Sure, he was a sinner before he converted, so is everyone else. Calvin was the father of Calvinism, he privately interpreted Augustine as he did with the scriptures, falsely. Augustine wrote against Mani if you recall.

First off, this is Catholic history which only comes down to us through the Catholic Church patrimony. This isn’t Baptist history, these are not the fathers of the Baptist traditions. Those were very different men in the 1500-1600s. Baptists didn’t exist in Ignatius’ time. And you ask me As...

“ No one eats the flesh of Christ without first Adoring it “ Augustine Adoration is the “ Worship “ Latria of Jesus Himself. The bread that Jesus gives is His flesh for the Life of the world. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. Jesus Himself is the bread of life. Jesus flesh and...

Ignatius believed the Eucharist is Jesus flesh, so that’s not the Eucharist you believe in, but abstain from isn’t it? People have told me repeatedly that they don’t believe Jesus flesh is real food and blood is real drink. People have the right to different perspectives Dave. We aren’t in...

The Eucharist is not bread, it is Jesus Himself that we worship. There is a tonnage of quotes of the ancient Fathers referencing scripture about the Eucharist, through the dark ages and to the 1500s. It was a universal Christian belief everywhere. He did not say, ‘This is the symbol of My...

Not tortured explanations, but laboured certainly. But these explanations have been given for a long time. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been...

Do you think perhaps understated adornment in churches is the result of cold Soviet puritan excesses. Being so fearful of idolatry they don’t even smile lest their faces shatter. Did any puritan ever read how the Temple was constructed, and how its walls were adorned with vast numbers of graven...

And cannibalism is only eating part of a person, but in the Eucharist we receive the whole Person of Christ in a Covenant exchange of Persons. “ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, abides in me and I in him “

You have no choice Dave. If you think the Eucharist is just bread, then you must condemn Catholics as the worst Idolaters of all time. Catholics give full scale Latria Worship, kneel, bow, prostrate, burn Incense and Adore The Eucharist, housed in a Tabernacle. Either it is the sickest and...

At the words of consecration, the bread is no longer bread but the Body of Christ. It might appear to our senses in every way to be like bread but it is changed. Scripture and the Early Fathers and Apostolic Fathers support this. The whole point of the Eucharist is that it is Communion with...

Feelings and emotions are tertiary, what’s Primary is the reality of experience. A witness has greater authority than someone who heard or read something. If you say you believe scripture then believe Jesus words. Peter had to make a supernatural act of Faith in Jesus words. “ You have the...