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Please read what you said and then look at the definitions again Definitions you need to know Propitiation The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person; the act of one making propitious. {in biblical theology, God} 1Jn_2:2 Propitious Disposed to be...

@Ben1445 he cannot come up with something else. What does he think bought means? BF has to prove the word of God is wrong.

That is the problem we see with the calvinist view. They cannot just trust what the bible says they have to then add to it something that some calvinist teacher has told them.

Definition you need to know Propitiation The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person; the act of one making propitious. {in biblical theology, God} 1Jn_2:2 Propitious Disposed to be gracious or merciful; ready to forgive sins and bestow blessings; applied to God...

1} you have misunderstood what propitiation means 2} John does not fit your view on how he uses world 3] whole world actually means whole world 4} Eph 2:8 does not say faith is the gift, salvation is the gift 5} we do not save ourselves but God saves those tat freely trust in Him You started...

What is false BF?

That is what I said ZA. Did you not read what I wrote? Christ was the actual propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Which means that all have the potential to be saved but only those that freely trust in Him, will be saved.

Not what the bible says ZA but then I have noted that there are a few calvinists on this board that have a real problem understanding the words of God. With reference to 1 John 2:2 The atonement was made for the ones that John was writing to "propitiation for our sins" Then he tells them but...

Christ is the actual propitiation, the actual atonement. But to be saved we have to actually freely trust in what He has done for us. Knowing that He did is not the same as trusting in Him. That is the point you do seem to have a problem wrapping your head around. We were reconciled to God...

Not according to scripture they were not. Now did Christ know who would freely come to Him, of course, He is God after all which means that He is omniscient.

You finally got it right BF. As I have said many times BF. they hear, they believe and then they are saved by God.

God being omniscient knows all those that will freely trust in His name for their salvation. So what Christ is saying here Joh 10:16 fits with what Paul said in Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed...

You are funny BF. You continue to deny the clear word of God. Did Christ lay down $50 to by those false teachers BF? Or did He pay the full price via His blood so that even they could be saved through faith in Him? Your continued denial of the truth of God's word is troubling to say the least.

That is not what those verses say BF. Once again you are denying clear scripture. Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Rom 10:9 that if you confess...

@Ben1445 notice how they will deny scripture but then cannot support what they say.

What do you think the words "the Lord who bought them," means BF? Are you not the one that keeps saying the we are bought by the blood of Christ.

Putting salvation before faith. You have a strange way of understanding the word of God. Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Rom 10:9 that if you...

Read the bible BF. Believe what it says not what you want it to say.

I find it amazing how much work the calvinuist will put into denying the clear word of God.

Those that have freely trusted in Christ are those that are given to the son BF. Sorry BF but you are wroong again.