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Once again BF you have missed what we are being told because you disregarded context. [Romans 5:12-21] What was Adam’s sin? Disobedience. [Genesis 2:15-16; Genesis 3:6, Genesis 3:17]. All mankind has a sinful nature as a result of Adam's sin [Romans 3:23]. As a result of his [Adam's] sin...

So BF the question is who are the called in these verses? 1Co 1:22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 1Co 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks...

BF you still keep running away from statements you make. You said "how in Gods creation, them who are lost in their sins, can be part of the world of 2 Cor 5:19 ?" Prove this is wrong BF, you cannot but I know you will say you did. Paul is making a clear statement in 2 Co 5:18-19 2Co 5:18...

@Dave G the bible would disagree with your position. And does so quite clearly; 1Ti_2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 1Ti 2:4 who desires...

So are you saying faith has nothing to do with it?

One question for your @Layman well it has two parts 1] when is one in Christ 2] how do we come to be in Christ

Saying it does will not make it so BF. Break it down and prove your case from the text.

BF you really need someone to take you aside and teach you how to read. So according to you God is choosing the foolish things and the despised things, the base things of the world but what I do not see Him choosing in those verses is people. So I actually agree with you, those verses have...

BF the context does not support your odd view. Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience...

That would make you a universalist BF. 2Co 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. But I am quite sure you will say "The World" actually means those chosen before...

@Ben1445 Preach it Ben. Tell it6 like it is.

BF did you actually read what I posted? I doubt that you did. QUOTE They limited God not in fact but by questioning His ability to provide for them. That is just what the biblical text says BF. And note it is the KJV & NKJV that use the word "limit". A better choice for H8428 And painedH8428...

The word of reconciliation isnt for lost people in their sins. BF how do you come up with these odd bits of logic? 2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. vs 19...

They limited God not in fact but by questioning His ability to provide for them. Psa 78:17 But they sinned even more against Him By rebelling against the Most High in the wilderness. Psa 78:18 And they tested God in their heart By asking for the food of their fancy. Psa 78:19 Yes, they...

So you have them spiritually alive/saved before they believe BF. BF vs 4-5 is telling us what those that are saved are predestined for, vs 13-14 tells us how we can become one of the saved ones.

Well since we at one time were all separated from God by our sin/trespasses it is evident that the sinner can actually believe in God and be saved. Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, Eph 2:2 in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the...

We cannot choose to flap our arms and fly but we can choose to board an airplane and fly. Just as we cannot save ourselves but we can choose to trust in the one who can and thus be saved.

So ZA you being so smart please enlighten me as to what other way that through the grace of God can one be saved? Are you going to tell me that the the propitiation, the atoning work of Christ Jesus was not sufficient to cover all the sins of all humanity? What truth am I opposing ZA? But...

But what you fail to take into account is that Laius did not determine all the actions of Oedipus. Biblically God does not determine all our actions but has given man a free will thus we are responsible for our actions. Under calvinism, which it seems you are trying to defend, God does...

Those that God chooses to spend eternity with are those that have freely trusted in Him.