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Actually what the bible says is that all can hear and respond, some with faith others with rejection. As you know full well the bible does say that God desires all to come to repentance. If He ove0rode someones free choices then He would be going against His stated desire. Of course God...

Wow you do seem to be a bit over the top there Ken. Who has said that man is sovereign? Well aside from all you C/R's making that claim. But the bible says man is responsible for hearing, believing and then God via His grace will save them. Does that make man sovereign, NO, but it does make...

Actually you are using one verse that needs to be read and understood in the context of Rom 5:12-21. You are not doing that BF. You are pulling that verse of of it's context and yet claiming it is in context. You have a strange idea of context. As I have asked you before, try to support your...

@Layman you have not shown how you come to the conclusion that you have. The context of those verses do not support your view so I can only conclude that you are reading into them your philosophical view which comes from outside of scripture. But you did not address the elephant in the room...

BF you are just digging a deeper hole by your continued refusal to address the total context Rom 5:12-21. You have picked a verse Rom 5:18 out and misused it to support your view but the context does not do that. You say it does so prove it by dealing with the what is written in Rom 5:12-21...

So you will keep your head in the sand and deny clear scripture, got it. But just on the of chance that your deterministc God will open your eyes Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the...

The say so is the we trust in Christ. Read Eph 1:13, Rom 10:9, Eph 2:8-9 they may help you understand salvation better KY. We do not save ourselves but God only saves those that believe in Him.

So what does, born from above, begotten of God, born of the Spirit mean KY? Just more of your claptrap KY. You do make a lot of odd comments.

Come on BF you know that the context Rom 5:12-21 does not support your view but you just cannot admit it. BF saying the obvious that Rom 5:18 is in Rom 5:12-21 does not support your misuse of Rom 5:18 to teach your faulty religion. By your logic BF we can say that Israel had a special God...

KY have you ever had anyone say they save themselves, other than you of course. Only God can save and He has chosen to save those that freely trust in His son. So those verses, KY, make you feel better but that is about all they will do.

Where do you come up with the silly idea that man exercising faith means that he is sovereign? There are only two options Ken 1] God gives faith or 2] man exercises his free will. If God gives faith and He desires all to come to repentance/believe then why do not all believe? Is God not able...

BF you still will not respond to the text that shows your obvious error. Using other verses to support a view is logical but they have to be contextual not just out of context words. You started this by your claim "No by no means does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all without exception...

NO Ken it does not, salvation is the gift of God. Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Actually by your last comment you have to disagree with what Paul said. Paul told the jailer to believe but under the view you have posited he could not do that unless he was enabled to do so. It was not the jailer that could believe but God who had to essentially believe for him. God had to...

BF you make claims but when questioned on them you turtle because you can not support your claims. It's time for you to put up a defense or fold your tent and steal of into the dark.

Salvation is only though God but He only saves those that freely trust in His risen son. Actually fallen man does not add but he does have to believe. That seems to the stumbling block for those of the C/R view. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of...

Still no support for our position. You talk a big game BF. Your all hat and no cattle.

You say that BF but where is your contextual response. Here is your chance BF the context is [Romans 5:12-21].

As for usual you just ignore context BF. As long as you continue to do that you will not understand the word of God.

Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." Christ's death has covered the sin of mankind and made it possible for all to be saved but only those that...