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Yes, and what does Mtt. 13:13 say? "I speak unto them in parables they seeing see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." I go back to my point of free will, they chose not to see and hear through their own self righteousness. It wasn't the decision of Christ that they not...

Van, you've got it all wrong! You are leaving out the main principle of salvation, that being free will. The parables were not preventing anyone from seeing and understanding, the parables were shutting off a false salvation the Jews believed. It was pride and self-righteousness in the Jews...

Israel still today see a national salvation based on the fact of being God's chosen people through the birthright passed down to them from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob to the 12 tribes of Israel. They see no need of individual repentance, they beleive in their chosen status and keeping a close...

Speaking only for myself because I've never heard anyone say this, it's my conclusion, the parables were a shield a barrier if you will that separated false salvation from true salvation. If their hearts were pure in the Scripture with God, they understood the need for salvation and they came...

Something is wrong with your indicator if that's what you thought. Several times Christ withdrew Himself from the people/Jews that believed He was the Messiah, but they didn't believe they needed salvation. If Christ had spoken plainly they would have made Him the King Messiah under false...

I didn't say Christ wasted His time with the parables you said that! I said the parables were brought back to the memory of the apostles after Christ left them and sent the Comforter.

It's like you, Van, or anyone else, what were you when Christ called you out of darkness into the light. Maybe some of us would be ashamed to tell the truth.

The 12 apostles were not saints when Christ called them, they were worldly men. But God looked in the heart and could see what no other could see.

Well, K, let's don't go there, Ok. Sovereign Grace as you understand it, turns the Lord God into something I can't recognize from Scripture.

The apostles at the time with Christ didn't even understand the parables. We can see several times in the Gospels where the apostles, diciples at that time had no idea what He was saying. They understood after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came and guided them in truth and brought back to them...

Reasoning from a human persective. It stands to reason if that's the nature of God, He would pick who He wills to save from a burning building and leave the rest to perish.

It's crazy to some folks and makes no sense. It's like a pool table, not one thing wrong with having a pool table in your home or playing pool. But having one in the Church fellowship building is out of the question in our Church. It's associated with bars and drinking and the things of the...

LOL, I'm staying out of it! I posted a new thread Rev. 17 unaware that Deux had began. Said all I wanted to say.

Brother Van, my Brother in Christ, don't be upset with me Brother when I disagree. Paul said that the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men. He also told us that even the Hebrews in the wilderness heard the Gospel as well as we have, but it did not benefit them not mixing...

@SovereignGrace You have said in another thread you believe Israel is the great whore of Rev. 17. I hope after this thread you will reconsider that thought. Lets take a look at Rev. 17 and see who the great whore is, although there are many, many ideas as to who She is and what she stands for...

There are no 2 people on earth that believe exactly the same thing through the Scriptures. If any 2 can agree on the concept of any given doctrine it doesn't mean they agree on all the minute details. On a forum such as this with so many different beliefs that vary with the wind the concept is...

The same man taught us, JD. Very professional the way you put all of the 2 posts together. I can see you have a heart for the lost, a man after God's own heart.

That's the pre-trib view of the first resurrection, with the second resurrection being all of the lost from all time in Rev. 20:11-15. Is that the way you see it or do you see it differently?

We are to far apart to meet anywhere, so let's just let this one go.

I don't know what you believe. You say this and that and they don't match. That's because we are on 2 separate frequencies and disconnected.