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I could ask you the same in whichever view you see it. But I think you know if it were plainly written there wouldn't be a pre, mid, post-trib view.

Do you mean 4:17?

OK, we can move on then.

You need to address John of Japan's last post. He can help you understand better than I can.

@37818 If you will just drop my last post for now and follow through with John and answer the questions the best you can, you're going to see things a new way. I guarantee it.

@37818 There is the first resurrection that takes place in Rev. 20 at the return of Christ, and "the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were expired." These that were raised up are the tribulation saints and they will reign with Christ 1000 years. We know this because it...

That's just it, there is none. A mid-trib has possibilities but I believe falls short, but the post-trib, nope. The biggest problem with it is that it promotes the wrath of God on the Church contrary to verses that say just the opposite. The mid-trib does at least make a huge cut in that...

I'm thinking it's more than a premise, but if your mind is made up, well.

I know what you mean and I thiink you're right. I just wanted him to understand there are statements in the Scripture that cannot be denied that support a pre-trib Rapture.

We think alike.

Awww man, don't get me started on that crowd. When I think of any of those plus some others like them, I think of "for the love of money is the root of all evil."

I also believe this is explains the misunderstanding by many when James said that Abraham was justified by works through offering his son (would be offering). Abraham was justified by grace through faith alone, James is showing us that Abraham's works proved he was justified. James is showing...

Yep, we can be strange to them too.

I believe that Abraham "rejoiced" through whatever means, that his redemption would be fulfilled by the promise of God in sending the Messiah.

Van and I were discussing Abraham's justification some time back, he was rightly saying there are several theories as to exactly how Abraham was justified. I have only one theory in how he was justified. Somehow in a dream or a vision or maybe straight out verbally, Abraham was made aware of...

LOL, Some of those Charismatics are strange folks.

I'm not a teacher, I can't break things down the way you can to be understood.

Yes, that was my purpose of posting it. Now tell 37818 that so he can understand it.

I was just giving you some things to consider on the pre-trib. view. If your can't see the pre-trib. that's ok.

We see things generally in the same. I originally responded to your post, the 1000 years part of it, confirming what you said on it and added a little extra on the 1000 years. I wasn't disagreeing I was confirming.