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  1. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    I want to believe BibleVendor means no harm, but is just mistaken in his hermeneutics. I see no sign on this thread that he knows anything about hermeneutics, the study of interpretation. I hope our interactions here so far have helped him instead of driven him away, and I hope he continues to...
  2. John of Japan

    Bible Vendor

    How does that relate to a student of the Word of God who wants deeper knowledge of the Word, so he goes to Bible college and seminary? We will have four new graduates of our seminary when we have the graduation ceremony on Sunday, and all of them will say that they learned so much more of the...
  3. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    If all believers are scholars, then no believers are scholars. It is nothing more than another word for Christian, like "believer" or "saint" or "Christian." BibleVendor scoffs at those like my son who have spent years of their life and many thousands of dollars to learn more deeply the Word of...
  4. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    That is not what this is about. One is considered a scholar not only from credentials, but from accomplishments. You are inventing a new meaning for the term "scholar" which is held by no one that I know of. As a former missionary to Japan for 33 years, I object strongly to this. I never...
  5. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    This is irrelevant. The "Lord's Prayer" is for believers, not unbelievers. This is also irrelevant. You are not yet discussing the "Lord's Prayer." Again, irrelevant. What does this have to do with anything I wrote? The "original Lord's Prayer" was the Word of God, spoken directly by the Lord...
  6. John of Japan

    Bible Vendor

    The greatest scholar of the New Testament was the Apostle Paul, who was not "self taught." He studied under Gamaliel, the leading Hebrew scholar of the day. Paul was an unsaved scholar, but then God saved him, yet did not rebuke his status as a genuine scholar of the OT. My pastor likes to say...
  7. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    Well, sorry. I just had to comment on this egregious statement. Just being able to read makes you a Bible scholar? This is is a very low view of scholarship. My son, even after he got his BA, MA, MDiv and PhD in NT and had articles published in various theological journals and a couple of books...
  8. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    Okay, I'll try to wait for your explanation before pontificating further.
  9. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    And you have completely evaded the issue, and not answered a single one of my points about your version of the "Lord's Prayer." Why do you lecture me about the verb tenses in all of those passages, and say nothing about the passage in question? I wrote about the aorist imperatives (requests to...
  10. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    I have some objections to what you have written here, but I'm going to bow out of this thread. I know little of rock or pop music past 1970. That was the year I went off to Bible college (no radios in dorms) and then seminary, then working in my grandfather's ministry for almost a year. In 1977...
  11. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    Now you're making more sense. If you are talking about Tyndale's translation, it is true that no one today makes it their primary Bible version. However, the KJV is still the primary version read by 100's of thousands all over the world. It is still being read in many countries in Africa, Papua...
  12. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    Whoa, I never claimed to be a scholar, and I am not, though I have areas of expertise. That was you in your introduction, where you claimed to be a Bible scholar. I am just a professor (of Bible and ancient languages) and Bible translator. My son is a genuine Bible scholar, with a PhD and...
  13. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    I think it all comes down to how rock is defined (or pop, or whatever). Do you have some definitions we could discuss?
  14. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    Well, I' m not that up on 70's rock, but at least one of those look like 4/4 to me: "All You Need is Love." And Bob Dylan was a folk artist, not rock. My sympathies! Actually, I was quoting from the 8th ed. from 2010, if you'll look at my post. Agreed to disagree. Is that happening? If so...
  15. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    I beg to differ. First of all, the Bible was never "updated." I believe you mean "translated" here, not "updated." Considering the languages, the Old Testament was given in Hebrew, and we have the complete Hebrew Bible in good manuscripts. I took Hebrew in seminary from one of the leading...
  16. John of Japan

    Bible Vendor

    Welcome! I hope you enjoy the discussions. May I ask your credentials as a Bible scholar?
  17. John of Japan

    Lord’s Prayer Updated

    There are several translation issues with this "upgrade," whatever version it is. In vv. 10-11, the verbs are all aorist imperatives. Whoever translated this assumed that the aorist is always past, but that is not true. The imperative in Koine Greek has no time significance. Therefore, "Your...
  18. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    I don't believe that all rock songs have unrelenting pressure, but that most do. I grant your exceptions, but as exceptions not a norm. Having said that, Frank Garlock (a music prof, by the way) wrote his book in 1971, so I grant that the genre has changed. Most 1960's rock groups had that...
  19. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    In about 1 In my playbook, Simon and Garfunkel were folk artists, though they did some rock songs (Cecelia, etc.). I don't remember how "America" goes, so not sure how I would classify it. Granted. I never thought of it as a rule, but just a more opportune time to be able to hit the backbeat.
  20. John of Japan

    Did Aaron Invent Rock Music 3400 or So Years Ago Before Elvis?

    Okay, name me a rock song from, say, the '70s that is not 4/4. (So with this knowledge, you're a musician, right? What do you play? I'm a guitarist.) I do agree that today's country music is mostly rock. However, experts do quantify rock. For example: “Rock and roll combined the unrelenting...
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