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I think there are a few other things that were being finished, fulfilled, accomplished etc. 1. All the prophecies concerning our Lord before His death were fulfilled. The last one was Psalm 69:21b (c.f. John 19:28). 2. We see the completion of His sufferings. The cup has been drained to the...

Beware of conflating Abraham with the nation of Israel. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.'

Colossians 2:13-15, ESV. 'And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by cancelling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This He set aside, nailing it to the...

Mark 16:15. "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." There are plenty of people who haven't heard the gospel in your town, if not in your street. And if the fate of people in closed Muslim countries troubles you, send some cash to M.E.R.F. or to organizations that beam...

Wiil the sermons be available on Sermon Audio fairly soon? Due to the time difference it will be difficult to hear them live, but they look very interesting.

Look back at post #24. @John of Japan said that teleo and its derivitives were 'polysemous.' I agree with him. The context must decide the meaning in such cases, as it does in the verses under discussion. To translate Matthew 17:24 as "Does your Teacher not fulfil the temple tax?" is at the...

I did not say that they translate the word pay. What I have said is that they all (without exception SFAIK) translate the Greek word teleite in Romans 13:6 as 'pay,' because that it what it means. They also all translate telei (singular) as 'pay' in Matthew 17:24 because that is what it means...

Welcome to the B.B., Otto! :)

:rolleyes: Don't tell me; tell the NIV, ESV, NASB, KJV, NKJV, all of which translate τελεῖτε as 'pay.'

Hello Percho. The word translated 'finished' in James 1:15 is apotelestheisa, which come from apoteleo. Obviously it is very similar to teleo, but it tends to mean, to be perfected' or 'to arrive at full measure.'

You made a mistake. Teleo (τελέω) means to bring to an end, accomplish, fulfill, or pay, as it evidently does in Matthew 17:24 and Romans 13:6. That's all. A good rule of thumb is not to read the English translation of one or two Greek words back into another Greek word. Translation is not...

Oh boy! Here we go again! Matthew 17:24. 'Does your Master not PAY the temple tax?' Romans 13:6. 'For because of this you also PAY taxes.' The Greek word for 'PAY' in both instances is τελέω (teleo), from which we get τετέλεσται (tetelestai). Early in the last century, a German theologian...

There! It's good to know that we agree on something. :)

Why don't you go on to talk about the "theory" of the Trinity? No Bible text explicitly states "God is a Trinity," or even mentions the word. Why aren't you talking about the Trinity as a "philosophy"? The fact is that I have shown you time and time again Biblical proofs of PSA, but you are so...

You saying it does not make it so. You are waffling, and I don't have time to keep replying to this stuff.

I don't know what you are trying to do here. The KJV, NKJV, ESV, NASB, and NIV all translate ὀφειλήματα as 'debts.' So as a Bible-believer, I rendered it as 'Debts.' Again, what are you trying to prove here? Both telei and teleite come from teleo from which also comes tetelestai. Why are...

Abraham believed God and it was credited (or accounted) to him as righteousness (Gen. 15:6; Gal. 3:6). 'And the Scripture, forseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." So then those who are...

Matthew 17:24. 'Does your teacher not PAY the Temple tax?' Romans 13:6. 'For because of this you also PAY taxes.' The Greek word in both cases is teleo from which we get tetelestai. The fact that both of these verses mention taxes cannot be taken as proof that it never means anything else but...

2 Cor. 5:21 says that God made the sinless Christ to be sin for us, with the purpose that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

The Greek word teleo, of which tetelestai is (for those who are interested in such things) the 3rd person singular perfect indicative passive. 'It has been,once and for all, finished.' But the meanings of teleo are not exhausted with 'finished.' It can mean, according to Young's Analytical...