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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings again brother! Amen! Gotcha. I'll log that. :) I'm not sure if you are providing a counter to my point of Romans 5:12 or an additional "Amen". It seems like the former. If this is the case, then it also seems to be off the mark. If you remember, I was answering the question...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings percho. Hope and grace to you brother. Please excuse my lack of seeing the point to how your quote, above, has anything to do with "darkness" in Genesis 1:2. Could you explain it for me? Wow, that's a lot of theology thrown into the mix. These all seem like rabbit holes that...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings Oops. An actual question of request. My bad, as they say. Gotcha. I'm assuming you agree that guarding against false doctrine as it relates to what the Bible says is in-and-of-itself sufficient. Although sometimes that false doctrine may not affect the underlying salvation aspect...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to you percho. Thank you for your reply and blessings to you and yours. If I understand you correctly, then you hold the Gap-theory. A theory that my post #55 would affect (or be counter too). The conclusion of my study of the gap-theory up to this point, in the attempt to discover...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to you Scripture-More-Accurately. Peace and Grace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. After reading the quote you referenced and then your reply, above. I am unclear as to your point or direction. One way to take your comment would be a claim that since the Bible doesn't explicitly...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to you percho. Peace and hope to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on Genesis 3 are based on your quote of 1John 3:8. Is John not referring to something in the Scripture that his Jewish readers would recognize? Like maybe the story of Genesis...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to all my brothers in Christ. The Irrelevant Distinction of Satan’s Inward Corruption It would seem that it is a common error among even the most studied and astute to make irrelevant distinctions when contemplating the steps in the logical order of Satan’s fall. Many, it would seem...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings I'm not quite clear on what you mean here. Do you mean, (a) Satan's internal corruption might have happened in the spiritual realm and then the first outward act happened on earth? Or do you mean, (b) Satan's internal corruption might have happened in the spiritual realm AND ALSO...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings JonC. Hope and peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. I would agree that having an excessive unhealthy interest in the subject would be misguided. By misguided I mean not spiritually healthy. However, two points. First, there are some in our body and growing within our own...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings Awesome. I think I'll try and explain more my thoughts on the three views of Genesis 3:1-14. So let's look at the option of the term "serpent" (nāḥāš). We both agree that this term represents Satan. But is this figurative language to describe him or is it literal? The options...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings again brother. My apologies if I have offended you. Such was not my intent. My observation was that something you said struck me as leading logically to what I suggested. Not necessarily that you were forwarding it. Again my apologies for not being clear enough. Gotcha Peace to...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings Paleouss had said... Armchair Apologist replied... Well, the verse I extrapolate this from is a verse in which I was studying what the gap theorist thought (But I don't think the verse says what they want it to say). So the verse is Eze 28:13, “You were in Eden, the garden of God”...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings Ben. Grace and peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. Is this a "law" or is this a "curse"? Peace to you
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings SMA. Peace to you brother. Ok, let's travel down that distinction. Now how does that impact our analysis of the fall of Satan? Peace
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to you brother. Grace and Peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. By "fall of Lucifer" do mean something like his heart turning due to pride or do you also mean the outward act of rebellion. Maybe like a revolt of angels. In other words, was the tempting of Eve his first outward act...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings JD Isn't one of the commandments, "you shall not covet"? Which is an envious desire. This would seem to not be an "act" (if I read you correctly). Paul speaks to coveting being a sin in Romans 7:7. Jesus says that if you lust in your heart one has already committed adultery of the...
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    When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

    Greetings to all my brothers in our Lord Jesus Christ. I am looking for some clarity on this issue from others (thoughts, observations, critiques). To be revealing, I'm going to restrict considerations to the Holy Scripture only and to the words in it. In other words, I'm trying not to infer...
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