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I have said more than once that whether one holds to the OEC, YEC, Gap or what ever does not matter to me. So I am not bothered but you seem to be quite insistent that your view is correct. But as you know others think their view is correct and they will use the same scripture to support it just...

All the theories have holes in them. It depends upon who you are asking.

Spiritual death is brought about by man's sin. Death in animals is not through sin as they do not sin. So your argument really does not work.

That is man's idea. Where is your biblical support.

Yes please read it again. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Gen 1:3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and...

How do you know?

As I have said more than once I have not really thought to much about YEC, OEC, GAP or whatever. We are told God created and that is all I need to know. It is a fight that some see as critical I do not. It is not a hill I am willing to die on. You should also remember that H3117 can also mean...

We do not know for how long verse 3 lasted. not verse 3 but verse 2. You asked: "Why do you need billions of years anyway? Why is it so important to not believe in a six day creation of all things?" Where did I say I needed a billion years? Have I said I do not believe in a six day...

For all we know it could have been God's plan to have billions of years pass prior to Adam and Eve. So if there were billions of years prior to verse 3 then who are we to say He could not have done it that way. We do not know for how long verse 3 lasted.

SG you have to go back to post #44 to see the reason for the questions.

The question was "Do animals sin?" Answer NO but they still die. Secondary question, did Adam and Eve sin? If so then what was the consequence? What does the bible tell?

You have said the same thing more than once but it still does not change what the psalm is intended to tell us. God preserves those that trust in Him. I do not doubt that God has preserved His word but that is not the main thrust of this psalm. Thou shalt keep them That is, the persons...

You are correct I am appealing to the general message of the psalm. The psalm tells us that God's word is trustworthy and those that trust in His word will be preserved. The subject of psalm 12 is the people. Some speak falsehood with flattering lips. Some are oppressed and needy. What is God's...

That is what seems to be your blind spot. You are looking at one verse and ignoring the context. Verse 5-7 are clear. We can trust God's word when we are told He will preserve those that trust in Him. That is what Psalm 12 is telling us. It may seem that the wicked will prevail, God reassured...

Do animals sin? When Adam & Eve sinned it was spiritual death not physical death.

That God has preserved His word can be established by many verses in scripture. And I have even agreed with what you have said, God has preserved His word, but that is not what Psalm 12 is speaking to. What we see is that those knowing that God's word is trustworthy can cry out to God in their...

When you look at the verses in context you will see, as I said before, that the words "will keep them" can refer to God's word [vs 6] or to those that keep His word. [vs 5] 6 Because of the plunder of the poor, because of the cry of the needy, Now I will rise, the Lord shall say; I will grant...

What seems to be have been missed in the previous comments is the truth that because God's word is true those that trust in Him will be kept. Even though we will go through trials we can hold to the promises of God. So verse 7 can be read as referring to either or both God's word and those that...

No what I am seeing is the RCC trying to justify their foolish dogmas through the twisting and misuse of the word of God. Your response just shows that the RCC actually holds to a gnostic philosophy. The RCC thinks they have stumbled on secret knowledge.

That has to be one of the most illogical attempt to support mary being Immaculate. Since mary was born of man and all men & women sin then see was a sinner. But by your started logic since I and all other Christians are enemies of Satan then we are all Immaculate, all without sin. So then we...