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Hi Dave, I disagree. One of the rather common ways to nullify scripture is to claim since the primary point of a passage is "A," then the ancillary points (say "B" and "C") can be ignored. This is a fiction. Scripture cannot be broken, every point has application. Next, Jesus is NOT the...

The advocates of the TULIP need to reform those doctrines. And the view that only Arminians hold differing views is also false. Let's go over the scriptural case against the TULIP one more time. 1) Did the Fall, the consequence of Adam's sin, result in humanity being made with "Total...

Once again a total misrepresentation of the issue. Good bye Did you say "in Him" is the indirect object? Nope. Obfuscation on display. You asked "who decides? Obfuscation because it is obvious God decides, Romans 9:16. Next you define "corporate election" according to false doctrine...

What complete nonsense. Our corporate election before the foundation of the would does NOT suggest we were not individually chosen (elected) for salvation during our lifetime. Then you ask who decides who is saved! This after supposedly reading Romans 9:16. I am done wasting my time.

Just another taint so post offering nothing but denial of the obvious. You offer the indirect object does not replace the direct object. No one said it did. Thus obfuscation! The meaning of He chose us in Him is not a "construction of the text" but an interpretation of the text based on 1...

SNIP More mindless verbiage saying taint so. This poster seems to not even know of the corporate elections found in scripture. Nuff said. Then the lie. The human free will, does not decide who enters the redeemed group of individuals. No one should be that ignorant of Romans 9:16.

Its called name calling, but the correct term in biblical truth. More nonsense. I showed by the Ephesians 1:4 election must be corporate. You post another taint so. Understanding Ephesians 1:4 in light of 1 Peter 2:9-10 is not a "chain of inference" but a logical necessity.

Yet another mind boggling "taint so" post expressing complete ignorance. Based on Greek grammar, what is the function of "in Him" in Ephesians 1:4. I have presented the widely held view by scholars that "in Him" is the indirect object of the verb "chose" with "us" being the direct object...

Chosen in Him is not some difficult or obscure New Testament phrase. False Teachers spewing false doctrine are guilty of presenting many differing meanings, as if the meaning is not obvious. The first issue is this: Does the phrase refer to being chosen individually as foreseen individuals...

1) Your claim that "in Him" is not the indirect object of the verb "chose" was and is invalid. 2) I did not say you said "in Him" was irrelevant. More obfuscation, more misdirection. 3) The quote fully supports all my statements, and proves your claims were fiction. 4) You suggested...

[SIZE=6]1) My grammar is correct. Your claim is simply another "against the man" fallacy. 2) Your invalid claim, from the beginning not meaning from the beginning of the New Covenant, has no basis in scripture. That exact phrase is used in several ways. 3) 2 Thessalonians 2:13 crushes...

Still no answer. You are exposed.

1) Nothing wrong with "importing" on topic truths from other passages. Was Christ chosen before the foundation of the world? Yes. So to be "chosen in Him" means He was chosen individually, and as a consequence everyone He would redeem was chosen corporately. 2) I did not say the verse...

More evasion, why not answer the actual question? Did the post say that the lost are innately able to respond affirmatively to the gospel "call?"

Hi Salty, you asked for scriptural references and I supplied 4, Deuteronomy 30:19, Romans 4:15, Acts 14:23 and 2 Corinthians 8:19. The "Law of Liberty" reveals self-governance as we are governed by our love of God and His precepts, truth, justice and mercy. On the other side of the ledger we...

Here may be a carefully written deception, saying one thing but possibly meaning another. Did the post say that the lost are innately able to respond affirmatively to the gospel "call?" Nope You were free to assume that was the meaning. But what if "whosoever will" are only those of the lost...

Democracy is our model of group and member choice. Consider G5500, transliterated as "Cheirotoneo." Here we have a compound word, literally meaning hand stretching. But the word is used to indicate taking a vote by a show of hands to select someone for something. Acts 14:23, When they had...

Hi Salty, Democracy is the concept of member rule, rather than authoritarian rule. Thus all the scriptural references to the members voting and making choices as to how their lives are governed. Let us start with Deuteronomy 30:19: “I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that...

Scripture does speak of democracy, of rule by member vote, not the dictates of elitists. Individual enterprise describes God setting the choice of life or death before us, rather than dictating salvation without faith.

1) Both are valid, but when time is in view, since is the meaning of apo. 2) The names were not written since the foundation of the world, in both verses. 3) The issue is NOT theological. It is tradition build of mistranslation.