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Did the thief on the cross believe he was a sinner? Check. Did the thief on the cross believe in Jesus? Check. Did he speak to Jesus, accepting Him as the One who could take him to Heaven? Check. Was the thief then born again? Check. Will we see him in Heaven? Check. What exactly was atypical...

Correction: The prof's name was Arend Ten Pas, not Erend. Here is his pamphlet on Amazon: The Lordship of Christ: Or can a person be saved without receiving Christ as Lord?: Pas, Arend J. ten: Amazon.com: Books He was allegedly later fired from BJU for endorsing 4 point Calvinism. Ironically...

Personally, I trusted Christ as Savior at age 4. One of my Bible college profs (1972) was Erend Ten Pas, who wrote a pamphlet advocating LS, quoted years later in MacArthur's book. I asked him if I was saved, since a 4 year old can't understand the Lordship of Christ. That was unfair to him...

Well of course. Yes, John MacArthur declared that the Sermon on the Mount is a salvation message, but it isn't. Nowhere in Matt. 5-7 do the words "saved," "salvation" or "repent" or "sin" occur. So that admonition was to believers, warning them not to believe everyone who claims to speak for...

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (KJV) 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be...

No. The semantics (meaning) of "confess" and "obey" are not the same. "Confess" is well known as the Greek omologeo, "to say the same." (One of my students rode a plane with a Greek man, and it still means that!) To obey means to do what someone says. Here is something else LS misses. The term...

Well, of course they do believe in regeneration. But I object to your "even more so." But here you missed my point about the Holy Spirit. I fail to see how I am damaging anyone by my theological points. On the other hand, LS advocates can cause trouble too. I heard of an "evangelist" who...

None of these refute my presentation of the Greek grammar. The KJV gets it right: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." And by the way, some of your versions are the same thing...

But what does 1 Cor. 15 say the Gospel is? You are misquoting the verse, perhaps from the NASB? It does not say "Jesus is Lord," because that would be the Greek Ιησους ἐστι Κυριος, with the nouns in the nominative case, but the Greek nouns are in the accusative case (κύριον Ἰησοῦν), making them...

About Paul Washer, when he gives his own testimony, he said he "believed" in Christ, but he doesn't say he "made Christ Lord" of his life: Paul Washers Story by Paul Washer | SermonIndex. Granted, there are places in the story where he talks about surrendering to Christ. But in speaking about...

Good post. This is the crux of the matter. The LS advocate would lay the responsibility of the change of life on the believer. However, Christ taught regeneration to Nicodemus, being "born again." It is God who does the work of changing the life, not the believer. It is Christ who leads the...

No, that is not what I wrote. First of all, it is not I who says repentance is a change of mind, it is all the lexicons. Metanoia (μετανοία) is "a change of mode of thought and feeling, repentance" (Mounce). I could give many more. Secondly, I do not say that a change of mind "means change of...

Good post, though I don't quite follow your characterization of repentance as somehow surrender. The Greek word is clearly a change of mind, which I must add results in a change of action (as all changes of mind do).

Now, if Lordship salvation occurs anywhere in the Bible, it must be in the book of John, because the Apostle declared in ch. 20, "30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that...

I know I'm going to regret joining this conversation. I've done so before here on the BB. Having said that, here is my point, which has not yet been made. A genuine Lordship Salvation position must insist that when dealing with a sinner, a demand must be made that the sinner not only receives...

There is only one mode possible Scripturally, and that is immersion. That is the only meaning of the Greek noun baptesma (βαπτεσμα) and verb baptizo (βαπτιζω). No other mode was used for the first several centuries of church history. Along in the 3rd century, pouring began to be used for sick...

Okay, thanks. But as you have kind of pointed out, we can't trust what the enemies of Jesus said about Him. There is no proof in that passage, I hope you'll agree, that Jesus was not a teetotaler. :Biggrin

That is mostly what I've read about "wine" in those days, except I've read that they didn't need to add the alcohol, since fermentation begins naturally with contact from the air. At any rate, the alcoholic wine was not that powerful, as you say, with just a small percentage of alcohol. However...

Here is what happened. Jesus was not yet ready for a public ministry, since he said to Mary in v. 4, "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come." However, he honored His mother, and did what she asked, just as commanded in the Decalogue: "Honor thy father and...

Amen to that! The Bible says that when Jesus acted, people had already "drunk freely" (v. 10). The word is methuo (μεθύω), to be a actually drunk. The word occurs 7 times in the NT including this one, all negative. Now if Jesus had made alcoholic wine at that point, He would have been making...