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Your quotation of me excluded some important points, so here is my post again. You will note that I did not mention 'imputation.' I don't see therefore that you have answered the points that I made. My post was as follows: I don't follow your logic. Is God the Father propitiated in respect...

This is quite wrong. If you would take the trouble to read my posts before replying to them, you would discover that what I am suggesting is that Christ is not the propitiation for all the people in the world. Do you understand the difference?

On the contrary, God's word, including 1 John 2:2 can be understood when studied carefully. I have tried to show what it cannot mean - that the Lord Jesus propitiated the Father on behalf of every person in the world - but when I have time, I will show what I believe it does mean. That may not...

:rolleyes: 'The world' in 1 John 2:15-17 is clearly not people. It is the world as it exists under Satan - Bunyan's Vanity Fair if you will. So the question that you might ask yourself is whether 'world' in verse 2 refers to people. When Sir Francis Drake sailed round the world, he sailed...

It will depend on how you define 'the world,' won't it? Is it the 'world' of John 12:19, meaning a proportion of the people living in Jerusalem. Is it the 'world' of 1 John 2:15, which, if anybody loves it, the love of the Father is not in Him? Or is it the 'whole world of Romans 1:8, which...

So how did the Lord Jesus propitiate the Father? Did He get a haircut? Or did He say sorry on our account? Or do you think the cross might possibly have something to do with it?

Spot on!:)

1 John 2:2, NKJV. 'And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.' The text nowhere says that the Lord Jesus is the propitiation for 'all sin.' Nor does the text state that this propitiation is to be received by faith. The actual text...

I don't follow your logic. Is God the Father propitiated in respect of 'the whole world' by the shed blood of Christ? If so, and you take the view that 'world' means all the people in the world, I don't see how Christ is the propitiation only for those who believe, and I don't understand how...

''Remember, sinner, it is not thy hold of Christ that saves thee - it is Christ; it is not thy joy in Christ that saves thee - it is Christ; it is not even faith in Christ, though that is the instrument - it is Christ's blood and merits; therefore, look not to thy hope, but to Christ, the source...

Perhaps you could become a moderator. Then you could stop people posting on your favourite threads.

John 8:20. '...No one laid hands on Him for His hour had not yet come.' John 12:23. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified." The Lord Jesus' hour (time) could not come until the work the Father had given Him was ready for completion. The coming of the Greeks wishing to...

Your definition and timeline of Propitiation are correct. However, you don't seem to have thought through the implications of this. If we take your KJV rendering of 1 John 2:2, “And he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John...

I use the NKJV for private use, the 1984 NIV for church I also have KJV (of course!), ESV, NASB, CSB, NRSV, NIV (2011), Jerusalem (!), Recovery Version, Living Bible. The last five I almost never use.

Anthony, I did not say that there was more than one book of life. I pointed out that there are books mentioned in Revelation 20:12 which will be opened on the Day of Judgment which are not the Book of Life. Just so. Books plural; Book of life singular. What I am saying is that to take Exodus...

@Anthony Pritchard, I will be interested to have your take on this verse. Revelation 13:8. 'All who dwell on the earth will worship Him [the beast], whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.' You might also consider Rev. 20:12...

That is correct. All those given to Christ by the Father will respond salvifically and positively. Here you are ignoring verse 39, which tells us that the will of the Father is that the Lord Jesus should lose not even one of those whom He has given Him. Since we know that our Lord always did...

:rolleyes: At the point of our Lord speaking, it has nothing at all to do with anyone responding. Just look again at the text, and its very plain, obvious meaning. The Father has given to the Son a people to redeem, and that is what He will do; not one will be lost. He says the same thing in...

Do I really have to type them out again? OK. In verse 10, we have the 'many sons' brought to glory. Tht is a limitation of 'tasting death for everyone. In verse 11, He calls the ones He died for 'brethren' whom He has sanctified In verse 13, here He is with the children whom God has given Him...

I have quoted John 6:37 about a hundred times before on this forum, but since you and @Anthony Pritchard are quite new here, I will give it again: "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me......." Here is your particular atonement. God has given to the Lord Jesus a vast crowd of people to...