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If Abel speaks to us today through the sacrifice that he ofered to God, we should be able to draw some conclusions from the sacrifice that Cain offered, the most obvious being that he must have had some sort of belief in God, but that it did him no good (c.f. James 2:19). In Jude 11, we read of...

According to Hebrews 11:4, it is through the sacrifice that Abel offered that he speaks to us today, and it is through that sacrifice that he was counted righteous. ‘By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God...

1990/91 is a long time ago. I think maybe people have the right to change their views sometimes. Just ask Paul.

I'm sure they often did meet in homes, not necessarily by choice. But the church in Corinth did meet together on a regular basis. 'When you come together as a church.' ( 1 Cor. 11:18). I assume that they met in a hall somewhere as the Ephesian believers did (Acts 19:9). When they became too...

Hebrews 11:4. ‘By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying to his gifts; and through it he, being dead, still speaks.’ In this post, I want to expound a riddle: how can a man who never spoke whilst he...

Exactly!

Well it's tough over here, but while there are these church buildings closing down, at the same time there are new church plants springing up and meeting in town halls or schools or similar places. My church has just planted in a nearby town, taking over the building of a church that had shut...

As a Brit I don't know much about the workings of the Southern Baptists. But I can give you some warnings from history. About 25 years ago, the Church of England introduced female vicars. It was supposed to be a popular move that would re-invigorate a denomination that was declining. All that...

The analogy was yours, not mine. Just so. The anomal died instead of the people. This is a pretty bad analogy even by your standards. I do not eat hamburgers to atone for my sins. If I am hungry and there are no hamburgers handy, I eat a frankfurter (not in Israel!) or vegetables. But if I...

If the animal was not sacrificed, the people would have died, yes? That seems to be what you are saying. So how is that not a substitution, and a penal one at that? The animal dies - penal. The people don't - substitution. You mean 'Second Adam, yes? But 'He was pierced...' Penal...

You have to reach my age first. I have compared your demanding of a single verse to prove PSA to the J.W.s demanding a verse proving the Trinity. I did not accuse you of being a J.W. or call you a heretic. It is a historical fact that the Unitarians in the early 18th Century refused to give...

I think you'll find it is. Matt. 20:28; Mark 10:45. The Greek preposition anti (used in those verses) very often means 'instead of' or 'in the place of.' E.g. Luke 11:11; 1 Cor. 11:15.

@DaveXR650 will answer for himself, but I have never accused Christus Victor as being identical to any heresy. Your version of it I have certainly criticized, but never called it a heresy. Indeed, I have said that C.V. is correct as far as it goes. After all, who believes in Christus Loser...

I am sorry to say that you are not being truthful, as is shown by the fact that you cannot document anything of the sort. To be sure I have said that your view is an error, which it is. But I have never called anyone a heretic, or hinted at it.

Romans 2:28-29; Gal. 3:7; Phil. 3:3. Edit: oops! @Armchair Apologist beat me to it!

You're joking, right? That post was after the one accusing @DaveXR650 and myself of heresy. It is also a mumbo-jumbo of excuses that fails to explain why you can call people heretics but no one else can.

I was waiting for JonC to get onto the New Testament before replying, but since he hasn't done so, here goes: Of course the people were right; He was stricken and smitten by God. 'Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief,' confirmed by Zech. 13:7; Matt. 26:31, 56. Where...

Hello @Ben1445, This is the definition of PSA that I have been using on this board for about 15 years: 'The Doctrine of penal substitution states that God gave Himself in the Person of His Son to suffer instead of us the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for sin...

I think you didn't. The person who used the word "heresy" was you and you used it specifically about @DaveXR650 and myself.

So tell us where. What crazy idea is this? I post some Scripture without comment, and you post some other Scripture without comment. Where will that get us? One or both of us has to state what we believe the Scripture MEANS. This is a discussion forum. We state our understandings. The...