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My Comment: You are saying that it is taking away God’s glory if you attribute natural faith in man to the faith we receive from Jesus Christ. You quote Heb 11:1. I think you mean that the Arminians believe faith before full regeneration causes regeneration and justification and you disagree...

Hi It’s real to me, My Comment: Good quote! I was thinking about John 14:9. Why didn’t Philip recognize the divinity of Jesus? Philip was already a Christian. He was an apostle and had the Gifts of the Holy Ghost, especially the one needed here: the Gift of Understanding. So why? There’s a...

In general, thanks for viewing this thread. I think I said everything I needed to say in the OP so I Will watch for further replies.

I’m not questioning anyone’s conversion story. We’re really taking systematic theology on this forum.

I Agree. Thanks for this input.

It fits!

Notes: (1) Sanctifying Grace - inheres = resides or stays in the soul at all times - 2 Pet 1:4, Rom 5:17,19, 1 John 3:9, Eph 4:23 (If a mortal sin is committed - this grace is lost and must be restored through the sacrament of Penance (aka Confession) This grace can be seen by its relation to...

(1) External Call - Common Grace (external grace) (2) Gap (3)-(7) below are simultaneous - Causes and Effects are simultaneous and instantaneous (Institutes of Elenctic Theology 16.9.8) (3) effectual call (active Justification) - election to grace (internal grace) (4) Full Regeneration...

Opening Hi Everyone, I did these 3 flowcharts or word pictures so you could more easily compare all three views. Please save this information. I tried very hard going to the original sources to develop these views. I could not find any kind of flowchart on the internet on any of them. It was...

Hi Ben, One more thing. This might help. Here are the 5 Causes: Justification - Causes Effecient Cause - Merciful God Instrumental Cause - Baptism - the Sacrament of Faith Formal Cause - Justification (Sanctifying Grace) - Justice of God - not that by which He himself is just, but that by...

Hi Ben, I missed this one! Faith is an effect of Baptism Follow this logic: Faith comes from full regeneration full regeneration comes from baptism therefore, Faith comes from baptism Faith is an effect of full regeneration Faith is not a cause of full regeneration

Continued Ben, I’m not going to answer your answers to these post because I think it is important for me to work on a thread I want to do. I am going to attempt to do the thread anyway. I will read your responses to these posts. The thread I'm want to do will be about what I call the “Big...

My Comment: A sacrament is not something “we” are doing. That’s the point. It is something “God” is doing. Your verses are some of the same verses we use to prove baptism, especially Titus 3:5. You don’t see baptism in “by the washing of regeneration”? Here’s the definition of a sacrament from...

Hi Ben, First I want to thank you. You are the one who showed me how to quote and post. Ha ha I will remember you because of that. My Comment: This is a good point. Christ instituted the sacrament in Matt 3:16: And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water: and lo, the heavens...

continued My Comment: You are changing methods of interpretation right here. You are saying Matt 3:3 is eschatological. I am aware of the Isaiah quote. This quote simply means that OT prophecy was being fulfilled right here. It doesn’t take away from the fact that it is soteriological too...

My Comment: You say: “But Paul's grammar does not allow for a single dropout. 100% of the predestined are called; 100% of the called are justified; 100% of the justified are glorified.” This interpretation is very dangerous. This is limited atonement (Christ died on the cross only for the elect...

My Comment: First, I wasn’t trying to give a comprehensive answer. Sometimes I put things in my posts intentionally for the other viewers so they don’t think we just make this stuff up. It doesn’t look like you are denying that the term is in scripture. SYNERGISM IS BIBLICALLY-BASED. Would you...

Continued from post #65 My Comment: the sequence is Calling and Justification and Glorification. Rom 8:30: “And whom he predestinated, them he also called. And whom he called, them he also justified. And whom he justified, them he also glorified.” There is one kind of calling and it is...

My Comment: Is Hearing the Word the instrumental cause? Is regeneration the efficient cause? I ask because you said regeneration and Hearing the word are not competing causes. We would say Hearing the Word as in Rom 10:17, [which Protestantism would interpret as Hearing (preaching affecting the...

My Comment: You said: “…you are turning salvation back into a work of the creature.” Not really. Not when you understand it. Faith is a work when it is in an act - the Act of Faith. This occurs at the point of full regeneration, not before. The timing of the Act of Faith at full regeneration is...