1 John 5:1 we become Sons of God after believing, Regeneration after Faith

[revmwc]

I think that's what I just said.... Thumbsdown

Here is what I mean.


Faith in the sense of Salvation

Ephesians 2:8 & 9

Faith=pisteos

Thayer’s uses pistis conviction of the truth of anything, belief

Mounce states that this is firm belief


Faith in the sense of Faithfulness

Ephesians 4:5

εις κυριος μια πιστις εν βαπτισμα

Now the word pistis is used and there can be several uses for that word,

We this also in

Galatians 5:22

ο δε καρπος του πνευματος εστιν (5719) αγαπη χαρα ειρηνη μακροθυμια χρηστοτης αγαθωσυνη πιστις

Faith=pistis=faithfulness

Thayer=2. Fidelity, Fatihfulness

Mounce uses pistis as the word but uses the definition as faithfulness

faith, belief, firm persuasion, 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 11:1; assurance, firm conviction, Rom. 14:23; ground of belief, guarantee, assurance, Acts 17:31; good faith, honesty, integrity, Mt. 23:23; Gal. 5:22; Tit. 2:10; faithfulness, truthfulness, Rom. 3:3; in NT faith in God and Christ, Mt. 8:10; Acts 3:16, et al. freq.; ἡ πίστις, the matter of Gospel faith, Acts 6:7; Jude 3

So in the case of Ephesians 4:5 and Galatians 5:22 these are used as Faith in the promises of God or Faithfulness, and not as giving saving Faith? Would that be Correct (John)?

 

[John of Japan]

Here is what I mean.


Faith in the sense of Salvation

Ephesians 2:8 & 9

Faith=pisteos

Thayer’s uses pistis conviction of the truth of anything, belief

Mounce states that this is firm belief


Faith in the sense of Faithfulness

Ephesians 4:5

εις κυριος μια πιστις εν βαπτισμα

Now the word pistis is used and there can be several uses for that word,

We this also in

Galatians 5:22

ο δε καρπος του πνευματος εστιν (5719) αγαπη χαρα ειρηνη μακροθυμια χρηστοτης αγαθωσυνη πιστις

Faith=pistis=faithfulness

Thayer=2. Fidelity, Fatihfulness

Mounce uses pistis as the word but uses the definition as faithfulness

faith, belief, firm persuasion, 2 Cor. 5:7; Heb. 11:1; assurance, firm conviction, Rom. 14:23; ground of belief, guarantee, assurance, Acts 17:31; good faith, honesty, integrity, Mt. 23:23; Gal. 5:22; Tit. 2:10; faithfulness, truthfulness, Rom. 3:3; in NT faith in God and Christ, Mt. 8:10; Acts 3:16, et al. freq.; ἡ πίστις, the matter of Gospel faith, Acts 6:7; Jude 3

So in the case of Ephesians 4:5 and Galatians 5:22 these are used as Faith in the promises of God or Faithfulness, and not as giving saving Faith? Would that be Correct (John)?

Since we are both pretty much on the same side here, I'm not real sure of why you are addressing me on this thread. I think I agree with you on faith, but I really avoid this Cal/Arm forum usually--unless a juicy thread on the Greek comes up.

 

[revmwc]

Since we are both pretty much on the same side here, I'm not real sure of why you are addressing me on this thread. I think I agree with you on faith, but I really avoid this Cal/Arm forum usually--unless a juicy thread on the Greek comes up.

Well I have been told that since 4 or 5 on here have shown me the error of my ways as they put it and have accused me of misinterpretation of the Greek language I was asking your opinion on what they have accused me of misinterpreting. Thank you for your time and response.

 

[John of Japan]

Well I have been told that since 4 or 5 on here have shown me the error of my ways as they put it and have accused me of misinterpretation of the Greek language I was asking your opinion on what they have accused me of misinterpreting. Thank you for your time and response.

I think this is one area where Calvinists and the rest of us will never agree, and there are always those who put others down.

Having said that, please be careful with the Greek. I'm sure there are various other arguments you can put forth without referencing the Greek. (Try Luke 7:30 or 10:31, for example.) Several of these men are quite educated in the Greek, and if you quote from Strong's, Thayer's and other outdated sources, or draw the wrong conclusions from the grammar in an interlinear, they will certainly let you know.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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