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Featured 1 John 5:1 we become Sons of God after believing, Regeneration after Faith

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by revmwc, Apr 4, 2016.

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  1. revmwc

    revmwc Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

    Those who followed did they follow Him by believing on or in Him or were they regenerated and then followed (believed) Him?
     
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    Slidell Seminary is hardly "formal education".
     
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    You can't be serious. You think this passage has to do with personal regeneration???
     
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    Matthew Henry:
    "All that partake of the regeneration in grace (John 3:3) shall partake of the regeneration in glory for as grace is the first resurrection (Revelation 20:6), so glory is the second regeneration."

    They folowed and all but "Judas" were regenerated through Faith. One must first be regenerated in order to take part in the Regeneration or the Kingdom that is coming, the time of the regenerated earth. The two are connected and regeneration took place after they followed and believed.
     
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    Uh, that's melding two differing aspects of 'regeneration' my friend. The commentary does NOT support your error.
     
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    EekRoflmaoBiggrinLaughRoflmaoBiggrinConfusedEekLaughLaughLaugh

    Ummmm.....NOT!

    This is self deception if you believe this. Show us where you've received correction.
     
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    #127 TCassidy, Apr 12, 2016
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    And that illustrates his problem. He does a word search for "regeneration" then posts the verse wherein it was found without ever understanding what the verse is talking about! :rolleyes:
     
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    The really sad thing is that he fails to see the irony!
     
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    The only thing I posted on this board from SBS was on the power of God and prayer. So go back to try and figure it out, cause I received
    Likes on that post.
     
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    Actually, I was referring to this post:
    He didn't even spell Slidell correctly!!!

    And it's a diploma mill.
     
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    LOL! And you were expecting what, again? :D :D
     
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    Thank you. I've run out of time, and will get to your post tomorrow.
     
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    It's a MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!! Roflmao :p
     
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    Diploma mills require no work SBS requires a lot of work. So sorry that doesn't apply
     
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    I highly doubt you had to do a lot of work. A 30 credit ThD is not a lot of work. I don't even want to know what your ThM consisted of. But my guess is that it was not a post-MDiv (90 credits), thesis degree. Plus you didn't have to write a dissertation for your "doctorate". Plus the lack of academic rigor, plus no biblical languages, plus no serious scholars for teachers all equal a diploma mill.
     
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    I'm sorry, simply quoting an interlinear will not help you much unless you know the Greek syntax. For example, in this case the interlinear seems to say that believing is "out from God," and that doesn't match the Greek and is actually detrimental to your argument.
    I have not made this point, and I don't think the verse does. I am not a Calvinist, but as a Greek prof I have to be honest with the text. I see no causation either way in the text (faith = regeneration or regeneration = faith).

    My position is that faith and regeneration occur simultaneously. Faith is a gift of God through the work of the Holy Spirit according to other passages, then simultaneously to faith occurring God the Holy Spirit regenerates. I don't find an order of salvation ether logically or temporally in Scripture, and also I believe the work of the Holy Spirit can be rejected.
     
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    When it talks about Faith being the gift isn't it referring to Faith in time, in other words doesn't it mean to be faithful in our Trusting God. Faith in believing the promises of God and walking a life of faithfully trusting God to fulfill all. Yet doesn't saving Faith come when the Holy Spirit brings conviction and by volition the persons responds to that conviction?
     
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    No......it does not.
    ....give it up rmac
     
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    I think that's what I just said.... Thumbsdown
     
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