#2 Two Salvations? #3 Kingdom Exclusion

Really? James you worried? Lacy you fretting? How about you HoG, you worried 24/7?

Again that must be a awful big black out marker you got.

Again I don't know of anyone that is worried. Anybody worried out there that they may not get in? I know it's a possibility, but I'm not worried about it.

For eternal purposes that is true. But what do you do with the verses that says we are to clothe ourselves? And Rev. 19:8 says we are to clothe ourselves in the righteous acts of the saints. It doesn't say clothe ourselves in Christ's righteousness. How do you fit that one into your theology?

Again that totally slaps Rev. 19:8 in the face. So either you are wrong or Scripture is wrong. I'll take Scripture. Scripture says that the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. How do you deal with that?

Better just to leave that one alone if you know what I mean

 

The evidence has been posted over and over again that the MK doctrine is a false doctrine. The truth be known, you just have not accepted the truth.

 

While I don't think I worry enough, I do have a great hope that God will work it in me. But I certainly don't worry about my eternal state. It is finished.

 

And there you go folks. an unsure man, not sure of where he will be during the millenial kingdom; outside or inside.

I am sure where I will be. My Bible teaches where I will be... ever with the Lord once He raptures me from this earth. There is no chance of being an outcast for me.

You sepak of eternal security being sure for you, and yet teach Christ may cast you out.

Sounds double-minded to me.

 

Don't get bent out of shape if I say your beliefs belong in the catholic church after you state I should try WoF. That makes you a hypocrite for slamming me when you were the first to do the slamming.

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Keep'em coming. Laughter is good for my health!!

 

Yet another statement that shows you have no clue as to what is being discussed or you are purposefully lying about James. You tell us which it is, becuase that isn't remotely close to what James said.

 

Well if you thought I was bent out of shape you are sadly mistaken. I could care less that you slander me as you do. It is to be expected. I said said you were incorrect in your assesment, which you are because this is not the Catholic teaching of purgatory (which again shows you don't know what you are talking about or are purposefully lying).

So yet again there are false accusations with ZERO evidence. So I'll just chalk it up to more slander on your part.

 

Are you "sure" that God, the Father, will never chasten you if you are disobedient? Just answer that one question with scripture.

Lacy

Psalms 139:7-8
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

 

While not catholic purgatory, it's purgatory none the less. Slander you as I do? I think this is the first dialogue I have had with you yet here on the BB. You really need some thicker skin.

 

Since the Catholics use the same verse to claim purgatory as you to to claim KE, and since KE is for the same purpose as the Catholic's Purgatory, I would say they are one and the same doctrine.

I woulld disagree that either of them belong in the Catholic church though. They both belong in the trash can, for that is all either are teaching, is garbage.

 

God may chasten me for wrongs I do, but He never will send me to hell.

Oh, btw, David said 'If I make my bed in hell...' Notice David did not say 'If you put me in hell...', God does not send someone to hell, they send themselves to hell because of denying His Son. That is the only reason anyone will ever feel the flames of hell or the lake of fire.

Our Salvation is secure, and when Christ comes to claim His own, they will be like Him and will not have to hear those words, "Depart from me, ye that do work iniquity.'

 

I am so hurt! :tear:

You know, Digger, if you keep wowing us with such clearly scriptural and highly intellectual and stimulating arguments, we might come over to the "right" side and be just like you!


Lacy

 

So your "short answer" is that you have absolutely no assurance that the Blood of Christ and his saving death will "save" you from his chastening hand if you are bad?

Lacy

 

Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

 

thanx, DidW,

Was looking for that very same verse.

Lacy,

God's Word tells us He chastens whom He loves. His chastening does not include putting them in a place of torment, regardless of your mis-interpretation of His Word.

 

I agree.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 26:71-72
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.

Peter either

A) Lost his salvation.
B) Proved he was never saved in the first place.
C) Wasn't quite "really" saved yet so needed to get "really" saved by standing against temptation, being courageous, and confessing Christ, and obeying all the rest of Matthew 10. (WORKS)
C) Messed up and needed to repent before he inherited the full promise of Matt 10:33.
D) Something that I have not thought of and would love to be enlightened about.

 

The funny thing is that that verse was directed toward a Christian.

Lacy

 

It was not directed toward a Christian. It was directed toward satan who Peter allowed to speak through him.